Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2

[dodge man]

that guy is going to Prison

He needs to!

 

[WinterDeere]

Seems like an open/shut negligent homicide = manslaughter case. Textbook, almost.

 

[kenhar]

Everyone connected to that machine leaving home on a truck, unsecured should be in adjoining cells. Not just the fool driving the truck.

 

[4570Man]

Everyone connected to that machine leaving home on a truck, unsecured should be in adjoining cells. Not just the fool driving the truck.

The driver bares the sole responsibility to make sure the load is safe for the road.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Everyone connected to that machine leaving home on a truck, unsecured should be in adjoining cells. Not just the fool driving the truck.

No, that's why you hire professional with the proper insurance, knowledge(experience) and equipment so you are not liable. If not what the point?

 

[4570Man]

No, that's why you hire professional with the proper insurance, knowledge(experience) and equipment so you are not liable. If not what the point?

All parties involved very well might end up sued especially the truck owner if it’s different from the driver but as far as criminal prosecution the driver is solely responsible.

 

[Rockbadchild]

All parties involved very well might end up sued especially the truck owner if it’s different from the driver but as far as criminal prosecution the driver is solely responsible.

The company owner yes he has a part in this, whether he likes it or not, that's just how it works, compagnies are responsible for their employee negligence regardless how wrong the employee is and regardless how well the company cover itself with Standard operation procedure and training ... but not the dozer owner he has nothing to do with it... from the original post I wasn't sure which he was referring to.

 

[Jstpssng]

The company owner yes he has a part in this, whether he likes it or not, that's just how it works, compagnies are responsible for their employee negligence regardless how wrong the employee is and regardless how well the company cover itself with Standard operation procedure and training ... but not the dozer owner he has nothing to do with it... from the original post I wasn't sure which he was referring to.

Too often the owner is the reason for unsafe practices in the first place; whether it's failure to supply adequate tiedowns, or expecting their employees to run overloaded.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Too often the owner is the reason for unsafe practices in the first place; whether it's failure to supply adequate tiedowns, or expecting their employees to run overloaded.

Perhaps/probably but my point is even if this is not the case, lets say the owner do everything and beyond with all the documentation, discipline, inspection and records to prove it he will still have his share of the blame. We had a incident at our mine, the worker didn't follow the Standard operation procedure and his training, everything was documented, the supervisor and the mine got fined because ''they let it happened'' basically the only way would be to have 100% supervision and no accident... So I ask what is the point of all these SOP's if they don't protect the company? the answer was basically they are the difference between a fine and prison was the answer I got.

 

[Fixastuff]

I’d hope the SOPs are to keep employees safe and alive. Not getting sued is secondary.

 

[Rockbadchild]

I’d hope the SOPs are to keep employees safe and alive. Not getting sued is secondary.

''sorry who are you? just give me your employee number? ''

There are some worse then other of course but accident hurt production that's why they don't want it to happen, I have worked in the industry long enough to know I am just a number ... they say its safety first but they surely make sure they don't loose any production ... I have seen people get out in body bags and yet the company didn't skip a beat and the job posting was out before the body was... I have seen then catching people doing unsafe things but waited until the job was done to fire then.... That tell me everything I need to know.

 

[WinterDeere]

I’d hope the SOPs are to keep employees safe and alive. Not getting sued is secondary.

"Not getting sued" is a big part of the incentive for keeping employees safe and alive.

 

[D&D]

out here they are using cables not chains

Cables for tie-downs? Are they fixed length for each different piece of equipment?

 

[D&D]

The driver bares the sole responsibility to make sure the load is safe for the road.

Not exactly….

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[Rockbadchild]

Cables for tie-downs? Are they fixed length for each different piece of equipment?

So the discussion was around tying logs on a log truck trailers. By cables I mean steel wire ropes they have a fix hook on one side and the other are these winch rollers (binder winch) ... Often you see these logging trucks on the highway and you think their load are not secure but its only because you can't see these wire rope.

 

[D&D]

So the discussion was around tying logs on a log truck trailers. By cables I mean steel wire ropes they have a fix hook on one side and the other are these winch rollers (binder winch) ... Often you see these logging trucks on the highway and you think their load are not secure but its only because you can't see these wire rope.

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That is close to what I was on to. Steel cable/wire rope is lighter than a chain but they tend to get frayed and nasty to handle. Once frayed, they should be derated also. Upside must be the purchase price.
The towing business is moving away from cable in favor of synthetic rope, maybe that’s next here too?

 

[Rockbadchild]

That is close to what I was on to. Steel cable/wire rope is lighter than a chain but they tend to get frayed and nasty to handle. Once frayed, they should be derated also. Upside must be the purchase price.
The towing business is moving away from cable in favor of synthetic rope, maybe that’s next here too?

Well, I believe there is a few more reasons, they are more durable in extreme temperture (cold), easier to throw above and over the load and faster to secure.

 

[CliffordK]

So the discussion was around tying logs on a log truck trailers. By cables I mean steel wire ropes they have a fix hook on one side and the other are these winch rollers (binder winch) ... Often you see these logging trucks on the highway and you think their load are not secure but its only because you can't see these wire rope.

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Around here, the binders go around the logs, but do not attach to the trailer.

The logs don't just fall off. However, about 50 years ago I saw the results of a log truck slamming into a solid embankment. It wasn't pretty. The headache rack doesn't help much when the truck stops and 50 tons of logs are still moving.

 

[Drstrangeglove]

Around here, the binders go around the logs, but do not attach to the trailer.

The logs don't just fall off. However, about 50 years ago I saw the results of a log truck slamming into a solid embankment. It wasn't pretty. The headache rack doesn't help much when the truck stops and 50 tons of logs are still moving.

Also, when they have two cables holding 50k lbs of logs, those cables are usually loose after a mile or so. There is that one loose log that wiggles it's way out and into your lane.