New Toyota Tundra’s Recalled for Spun Crank Bearing

[ruffdog]

What we know so far about the Toyota recall:

 

[Sawguy50]

It's possible that Toyota has changed its Texas work force, voluntarily or was forced to due to labor shortages. Who knows the people running or working at the engine plant or the assembly plant? What are their demographics?

My '08 Tundra SR5 Turd model has 295000 miles and is running fine. Zero issues so far but I would not want a turbo anything now. Exceptions are turbo diesels.

I still have the original battery in my '08 tundra! Starts great!

 

[crlf]

My 2012 Tundra Rock Warrior has lived outside since day one, and is used exclusively for towing, hauling, and homestead chores. Heavy winter use in unplowed rural area, snatching stuck vehicles, pulling trees out of my wooded acreage. I refreshed the suspension four corners at 100K with King 2.5" remote reservoir, Camburg bits. It's been completely trouble free at 150K. The only downside is the 5.7 is thirsty. 33" BFGs just like it came from the factory. Excellent tires, btw, for four-season use.

If I were to get another truck, it would be a diesel with a jake.. but the prices, the EPA garbage.. it's insanity. I think I'm stuck driving the 2012. No V6 turbos for me, neither Toyota nor EcoTurd.

 

[Torvy]

After being harangued by my wife, brother, and financial counselor I have finally decided to replace my aging '92 Toyota SR5 extra cab 4wd truck. I am going to buy a 2019 Tundra Limited. If I can find one. I don't want the crew cab, I want the other cab option. I forget what it is called. The cab is shorter and the bed longer. Anyway, they are proving to be hard to find. The last vehicle I financed was in 1992. I don't know if paying cash will make it easier to buy but wherever I end up buying it is gonna be cash in hand.
Eric

I got a '17, but not the limited, an SR5. Like you, I wanted the "double cab" and 4WD. Can be hard to find. We were patient and lucky. Found a local truck with no rust. We won't likely need another.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

Well, there is Ford.

Nearly every one of their 5.4L engines from 1997 to 2003 will eventually start blowing out spark plugs.
Then, from 2004 to 2007, the spark plugs broke in half (usually while being changed).

So, what did Ford do? Absolutely nothing... perhaps try to sell customers a new pickup.

Odd. I've owned 4-5 Modular Fords (both 2V and 4V) with 4 threaded heads. 2 of these vehicles being boosted, one at higher than factory PSI's, and I actually still own both my boosted 4 thread head Modulars. (03 Cobra bought in 06, and a 03 Lightning bought in 2010) I've never even seen a spark plug get launched, you just read about it on the internet. My L has 210K miles, and runs as smooth as my 18 Coyote. If you're not an ignorant mechanic, and know how to properly feel how tight to torque your plugs too, I find the 4 thread heads to be a non-issue. Just throw a little anti-seeze on them, and tighten them up without over-wrenching on them. A bigger issue Ford has had was cam phaser issues. Still better than lifter issues, and way better than having spun main or rod bearings.

 

[BruceSH]

I still have the original battery in my '08 tundra! Starts great!

Still having the original battery is amazing. Heck our second batt is 7 years old now.

 

[DutchInNZ]

So, yes, 2024 Tundra is junk for only one reason :It is the most American car. Even more American then ford, gmc etc.
It was developed in the US, build in the us, and now we have even longer line of not reliable tracks made in the US

From 1992 to 2003 I worked in the US/Mex car industry, mainly just above and under the southern US border. When BMW opened their plant in Spartanburg they attracted experienced professionals from the US car industry in the north, in order not to have a too long starting-up period. The lack of production control and quality of what came out of there in the first year almost killed their whole reputation. It only returned to the better when they replaced almost everyone in the technical management with a German and had their lower production people indoctrinated with what in Japan and Europe is standard applied quality philosophy.

The practically only cause of this kind of problems is bad professional mentality, especially of the middle management. Being uncritical and not caring, leading to that kind of bad-quality problems, seems to still be endemic to the US; Boeing e.g. could do with some introspection, regarding their performance over the last 15 years. It is just not done to leave wrenches and pieces of wood laying around inside airplane wings and tails or improvise drilling holes where they should not be..

Over all the years, Tesla had the same problem as BMW USA. Their cars are better now, but if one looks critically to what is sold here, there still is quite some work to do.

 

[Tractorable]

This guy has a really good channel focusing on Toyota’s and offers his experienced opinion on the Tundra V6 recall.

 

[ruffdog]

This guy has a really good channel focusing on Toyota’s and offers his experienced opinion on the Tundra V6 recall.

He brought up MANY good points. In the past, I have worked at dealers on many different product lines and agree on what he is saying. It is good he is covering the entire issue from start to finish.

 

[BruceSH]

Sniff sniff?

Pretty sure that 5030 was racalled once or twice in the past, possibly the root cause of his abusive attitude towards others on this site.

 

[ruffdog]

It sounds like now the fix is replacing the entire engine on 100k units.

https://www.motor1.com/news/727930/toyta-replace-100k-engines-tundra-lexus/

 

[Milo]

My gracious that's going to be expensive, but in the long run it's the right thing to do IMO. I'll be anxious to see how these engines in 2024+ Tundras (as well as the replacement engines) hold up long term with any kind of heavy use such as a lot of towing? I guess we won't know that for a few more years.

 

[ruffdog]

The problem is not going away....it is growing.

 

[5030]

The issue with almost every class action lawsuit is, the attorneys get compensated well but the plaintiff's usually get little to nothing in compensation.

 

[5030]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Toyota have engine issues in the past as well? I seem to remember a 'sludging up' issue with their engines.

 

[ruffdog]

The V8s that were replaced by the 6 are now having head gasket problems.

 

[Paystar]

Forgive me for the spelling error. I was juggling my two year old daughter while typing.

This is a big deal for Toyota who’s reputation is built on reliability. The previous generation Tundra’s with the 4.6L and 5.7L V8’s were capable of going a million miles. The first million mile Tundra was bought back from the owner and he was given a new one. The truck was disassembled and analyzed by engineers and nothing was was wrong with it. The engine still put out the same power as when it was new, original transmission, etc. Several more V8 Tundra’s have hit a million miles since then.

All this push for fuel efficiency and cleaner emissions forced Toyota to move to the turbo V6 with hybrid option. The engine has twin turbos, three radiators, and a ten speed transmission. First there were turbo wastegate issues, now we’re getting reports of front crank bearing failure potentially due to debris inside the engine. This all requires removal of the cab to repair. Toyota once known for its conservative approach to engineering and reliability is now showing signs of unreliability.

That's what the new generation wanted! Over complicated junk and EPA mandates to magically change a climate CYCLE that has been repeated before there was ever even internal combustion, LOL.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

That's what the new generation wanted! Over complicated junk and EPA mandates to magically change a climate CYCLE that has been repeated before there was ever even internal combustion, LOL.

This is pretty much it. The government CAFE regulations have forced the automakers to put boosted 6 cylinder engines in large trucks and SUV to try and meet government regulations. Rather they really achieve better MPG's in the real world is irrelevant, as they fool engine dyno's and whatnot to make the EPA think they do, and allow for better MPG ratings. Dodge has gotten themselves is a pickle by not developing boosted I4's to replace their V6's, and boosted V6's to replace their V8's, and hybrids to get better MPG's to appease the EPA mandates. Basically on all the vehicles they sell they have to pay a tax or fee to the government as they didn't work to meet the fleet wide average MPG requirement. The older Tundra V8's wouldn't achieve MPG's and emissions that the EPA mandates without a lot of revisions that Tundra fans will not want. We're talking DI, high CR, cylinder deactivation, water thin oil for starters

Look, I hate it, and know it's BS. You guys know it's BS. The EPA wants to pretend to be Captain Planet, and act like they're saving the world, but we complain about it, yet we keep electing people who implement these BS policies to try and give the EPA something to do, to try and justify their existence, and our tax money going to them.

Personally in my American automakers vehicles (full-sized trucks and performance/large cars to be specific) I want a V8, but in my Japanese automaker vehicles I don't care. I don't look to Japanese OEM's to appeal to my American biases. That's like asking a tranny to be a woman for you. I'm fine with a TT V6 in a Tundra, as long as it's reliable. Really though, I don't buy anything not Ford or GM. My 03 Lightning and 18 F150 have V8's, but my wifes F150 (which I guess is mine too, and our primary family hauler) has a GEN2 3.5L EB and it's a fine little engine. It's strong, gets decent MPG's, tows well, is refined, and so far hasn't given me chit, but my vehicles rarely give my issues, as I keep up with basic maintenance, so I don't need to claim something's a POS because I neglect to service my trucks, and go on extended OCI's with them. If you know a certain engine has potential issues, combat those issues early (basically preventative maintenance) so they're less likely to arise. Changing your oil regularly with quality oil is a good start. I don't use synthetic to get extended OCI's, I use it because it's better oil that resists wear better than conventional, and I've been running full synthetic oil for well over 20 years now, and I try nit to do more than 4K OCI's.

I will say the the GEN3 Tundra with the IForce Max that I drove was very nice. With its rear suspension setup it drives like a 19+ Ram, and it's hybrid TT V6/10 speed setup was way more refined, and stronger than any 5.7L Tundra I've driven, and 5.7L Tundras aren't weak trucks. I was impressed with it, and it's the first Tundra I would consider owning. The rear transmission hump being the size of the ones found in a Foxbody, or Fbody is some strait up BS. We're a 2.5% the way through the new millennium, and flat floors in crewcab 1/2 tons should be mandatory. The Tundras transmission hump is ridiculous. I do like its composite bed though. Composite beds make sense IMHO.

 

[Paystar]

Even class 8 trucks now. Kenworth already announced as part of it meeting the new greenhouse gas emissions that are being rolled out, only 10% of their new trucks will be able to be ordered with a manual transmission.
This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Peter 315]

Even class 8 trucks now. Kenworth already announced as part of it meeting the new greenhouse gas emissions that are being rolled out, only 10% of their new trucks will be able to be ordered with a manual transmission.
This is getting ridiculous.

That's ok only 2% of new drivers can drive standard shift...