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Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors?

DPF exemption for <25-horsepower diesel engine tractors to expire?


EPA announces new air quality standards for particulate matter, citing health risks.​


The Environmental Protection Agency announced a new rule on Wednesday to significantly reduce the level of air pollution known as particulate matter (PM) by updating the national air-quality standards, citing negative health impacts of PM exposure.

While the rule is being praised by environmental and health groups, some industry groups have signaled that it could pose a political challenge for President Joe Biden this year as they claim it will hamper American manufacturing and eliminate jobs.

“Today's action is a critical step forward that will better protect workers, families and communities from the dangerous and costly impacts of fine particle pollution,” EPA Administrator Michael Regan told reporters.

“The science is clear, soot pollution is one of the most dangerous forms of air pollution and it's linked to a range of serious and potentially deadly illnesses, including asthma and heart attacks.”

Particulate matter is made up of microscopic solid particles such as dirt, soot or smoke and liquid droplets in the air that are small enough to be inhaled. Those small particles can get into the lungs or bloodstream and contribute to health problems like asthma, respiratory symptoms, heart attacks, or premature death in people with heart or lung problems, according to the EPA.


This type of pollution comes from a variety of sources including power plants, cars, and construction sites. Wildfire smoke is also a significant source of particulate matter pollution.
“And often that is a product of triggering heart attack, cardiopulmonary events or triggering asthma attacks that are fatal,” Simms said.

Regan said the updated standard will prevent up to 4,500 premature deaths and 290,000 lost workdays in the year 2032. On that same timeline, Biden administration officials also say the new standard will yield up to $46 billion in net health benefits.

“The impact of this pollution oftentimes disproportionately affects our most vulnerable communities, including low-income communities, communities of color, children, older adults and those who struggle with heart or lung conditions,” Regan said.

“There are both things that you can calculate numerically about what are the impacts [of PM pollution] and how many deaths and how many hospitalizations, but there also are really important kinds of impacts that are hard to quantify," he added.

The previous annual standard for particulate matter was 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air. Under this new rule, the EPA is lowering the annual standard to 9 micrograms per cubic meter.

The updated rules do not revise the 24-hour standard which is meant to account for short-term spikes in pollution. That will remain at 35 micrograms per cubic meter.
President and CEO of the American Lung Association Harold Wimmer called the update “a step forward for public health,” but noted that the standards fall short of what his organization and others called for.


“While the stronger annual particle pollution standard will mean fewer asthma attacks, heart attacks, strokes and deaths, it is disappointing that EPA did not follow the strong science-based recommendations of the Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee and the health community to also revise the 24-hour standard to more fully protect public health,” Wimmer added.
Industry groups like the American Forest & Paper Association, American Wood Council and the group’s member company CEOs sent a letter to the White House in October expressing their opposition to the now finalized rule, saying the move, “threatens U.S. competitiveness and modernization projects in the U.S. paper and wood products industry and in other manufacturing sectors across our country.”

“This would severely undermine President Biden’s promise to grow and reshore U.S. manufacturing jobs, and ultimately make American manufacturing less competitive,” the letter said. “It also would harm an industry that has been recognized as an important contributor to achieving the Administration’s carbon reduction goals, including in future procurement for federal buildings.”

Simms, who has worked in this space for 25 years, told ABC News these industry outcries aren’t new.

“I've been doing this work for 25 years in a variety of different capacities,” Simms said. “And I can say that every time that an agency like EPA has taken steps to protect people and to reduce pollution, I see this same playbook start to get utilized, which is ‘the sky is falling.’ ‘If we protect people this way, we're going to destroy business and we're going to undermine the economy.’ And there's really good data to show that that's just not true.”
 
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I always get a chuckle when the EPA starts stating numbers that will die, while saying how much money the insurance companies might save, while the insurance companies continue to jack your rates through the ceiling. "new standard will yield up to $46 billion in net health benefits"
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #3  
Just another nail in the coffin from bureaucratic twits.
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #4  
I was getting sick of breathing the exhaust fumes from my pre-tier 4 43 hp diesel tractor, when I left it running at night to charge the battery with the headlights on as I filled the bucket with firewood from my woodshed, this winter.

The thought of getting a new $ 35 k tier 4 replacement crossed my mind. Maybe I’ll wait for the $ 50 k tier 5’s to come out. That might still let some particulate thru yet though, and it only takes one particle to do some lung damage.

To save my lungs, I decided to just keep my old tractor and shut it off when filling the bucket. Tough working in the dark, and I didn’t want to run down my battery. The only charge it’s been getting this winter, is when I fetch a half cord of firewood each week, since it hasn’t snowed enough to need it for plowing

Fortunately, my wife bought a new lamp for in the house and she gave me her old one. I set that up out in the woodshed. Now, all I got to do is turn it on before I shut down the tractor. Problem solved.
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Tier 4 that was never adopted by the military. Jee I wonder why. Now this. At this point they will just keep pushing new standards until a certain populous gets tired of it. Im sure this new tier will come with flaws and expense
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #8  
the world reality here is that EPA has taken flak for not lowering the limit to 5, as is apparently standard now in the EU.
I have owned tier II, III and IV tractors. Am very surprised tier 4 "Final" is not enough, but we shall see.
I think the world is waiting for everything to go all electric, certainly China has gotten serious about EVs.
I wonder what Mexico City has done to cure their problem, if they have.

when is India and Pakistan going to ban all those two stroke taxis?
this is a world problem and one or two countries getting extra clean has to help but
we are all neighbors to someone else.
Folks in third world countries want clean water and toilets, not clean tractors though.

since tractors last 30-50 years, or more..., going to have a lot of old equipment out there for a while.
and don't come back and say you want a catalytic muffer installed on the lovely Farmall 404...

I'm an old volunteer fireman. You really don't want to breath particulate matter.
have friends with COPD?
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #9  
Yes, but there is a point of how far they took this. They made everything unreliable.

I can start my 2013 Kubota inside the barn with the doors closed.
If I start my 67 Ford diesel in there with the doors open you can't see, LOL
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #11  
I don't dislike clean air. However people die by the hundreds of thousands from the crap they allow in our food. We are fat, out of shape, and comfortable.
I say, make everyone suffer the DPF. Why not? Under 26hp should be included. Join the party. They make pollution sound racist, so anyone without a DPF, is more racist than those who have DPF 🤣
 
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I hate the bureaucracy, restrictions, and the manufacturing costs that come with these EPA mandates.
And I definitely don't like regulations telling me what I can and can't do.

But I can't deny that the air is noticibly cleaner than it was 50 years ago. That goes for soil and water too. And not cleaner by some small amount that shows up as "data on a graph". Our air and water are enough cleaner to make a difference anyone can taste and feel.

Maybe the answer is that everyone should have been taking care of their trash all along. Then we wouldn't need to be playing catchup.

rScotty
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #13  
You know, most of the people that die with heart disease and cancer are our elderly population, you know, and we all will probably die with something sooner or later.

Joycelyn Elders​

tell that to my 55 year old nurse wife that died of cancer.
your statement is remarkably insensitive and adds nothing to the discussion
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #14  
tell that to my 55 year old nurse wife that died of cancer.
your statement is remarkably insensitive and adds nothing to the discussion
Excuse me, I'm sorry for your loss.
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #15  
I was getting sick of breathing the exhaust fumes from my pre-tier 4 43 hp diesel tractor, when I left it running at night to charge the battery with the headlights on as I filled the bucket with firewood from my woodshed, this winter.

The thought of getting a new $ 35 k tier 4 replacement crossed my mind. Maybe I’ll wait for the $ 50 k tier 5’s to come out. That might still let some particulate thru yet though, and it only takes one particle to do some lung damage.

To save my lungs, I decided to just keep my old tractor and shut it off when filling the bucket. Tough working in the dark, and I didn’t want to run down my battery. The only charge it’s been getting this winter, is when I fetch a half cord of firewood each week, since it hasn’t snowed enough to need it for plowing

Fortunately, my wife bought a new lamp for in the house and she gave me her old one. I set that up out in the woodshed. Now, all I got to do is turn it on before I shut down the tractor. Problem solved.
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Past time to quit burning wood as it contributes to particulate emissions, 1000 times more than any tractor exhaust ever will...

Your comment smacks of ignorance and not much more.
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #16  
tell that to my 55 year old nurse wife that died of cancer.
your statement is remarkably insensitive and adds nothing to the discussion
I'd say it adds A LOT to the discussion unlike your opinion. Been dealing with cancer for the last 7 years and I've changed NOTHING concerning my powered equipment. In fact I run 2 large frame turbocharged Kubota's that are 100% mechanical injection and certainly do smoke when run hard and I'm not changing anything. Don't want any emissions compliant prime movers, ever and I plan on running mine until I no longer require them and then sell them off and they will command a premium rice because like me, people are wise to the emissions compliant boondoggle.

I work part time at my Kubota dealer and a full 75% of repairs are directly due to emissions related failures. It's an industry joke, perpetrated by an over reaching government entity that really knows nothing about real world operations and don't care to. All those 'mandates' are nothing more than a buch of college trained clowns that know nothing about real world operations and in reality, could care less. All about the power to mandate inane rules and not much else.

I will never own ANY tractor that is T4 or above. Not gonna happen here.
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #17  
tell that to my 55 year old nurse wife that died of cancer.
your statement is remarkably insensitive and adds nothing to the discussion
We all die, including your wife. No one gets to live forever and when your ticket gets punched, you get to leave. I'm sorry your wife got hers punched early, but that is how it goes. I suspect mine is coming due as well and candidly, I'm all good with it. I've made my piece with the Lord and I have nothing to be remorseful about, at all. In fact, with the state of current affairs, that leaving these mortal bounds may not be a bad thing in reality.

So yes, in a way I'm looking forward to the eternal sleep.

Always remember, 'you come into this world, naked and afraid and you leave the same way'.
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #18  
I hate the bureaucracy, restrictions, and the manufacturing costs that come with these EPA mandates.
And I definitely don't like regulations telling me what I can and can't do.

But I can't deny that the air is noticibly cleaner than it was 50 years ago. That goes for soil and water too. And not cleaner by some small amount that shows up as "data on a graph". Our air and water are enough cleaner to make a difference anyone can taste and feel.

Maybe the answer is that everyone should have been taking care of their trash all along. Then we wouldn't need to be playing catchup.

rScotty
10-1 tractor emissions had virtually zero effect. Not enough working hours in a concentrated area for tractor emissions to harm many people.

The problem with these people is they cannot just take the win. Lots of dollars flowing in so they keep squeezing. Eventually, that's going to cause backlash problems for them.
 
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There are so many ailments that affect different sectors of the population differently that it's REALLY hard to think they KNOW the number of deaths from particulates. And then to attribute them to certain people based on income and race?
Excess deaths are up since 2020... Life Insurance companies know this, because death is their business... And nobody knows what happened in that time frame to have caused younger people to get sick and die at markedly higher rates? Nobody? Really? No one? These excess deaths continued in 2023... In younger people.

Really no one knows?

But we are certain about these numbers and the races of the people affected? Ok. Sorry. I call ******** on both.
 
   / Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors? #20  
Tier 5 has been talked about in articles going back to 2015 or before so this is nothing new. From what I read, it was going to be front and center this year and would be implemented at the very soonest in 2028. At this point, I'm not going to get all worked up about it. People should also worry about good food, clean air and water for future generations. :unsure:
 

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