Truck winches

[lilranch2001]

That’s good to know. This scale is electronic and “t” s into hydraulic line.
Look familiar?

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I wasn’t personally involved in using them or purchasing them. I was just the approver of the capx project.

And then I was the one that had to write the report stating that the project was a failure because of maintenance requirements

I think they basically work I just don’t think they’re very accurate and we needed accuracy for inventory control

 

[lilranch2001]

Also, this was 10 years ago so technology may have moved along some as well

 

[Too many Kubotas]

The Sherpa claims a 5yr warranty, but is it worth more than the paper it’s written on?
It would have to go back to Australia.

I doubt it. Most likely they'd send you the needed parts - if you have photos of broken ones to show them.

Anyway, I'm not one of those who uses warranties. If something breaks on my ComeUp they do have a facility in the USA where I could order parts if necessary.

Obviously Warn does, too, and those are the two brands I have. Not counting a 24 Volt Ramsey that may or may not be installed on something, some day. At least that's what I've thought for 15 years or so.

 

[Hay Dude]

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I doubt it. Most likely they'd send you the needed parts - if you have photos of broken ones to show them.

Anyway, I'm not one of those who uses warranties. If something breaks on my ComeUp they do have a facility in the USA where I could order parts if necessary.

Obviously Warn does, too, and those are the two brands I have. Not counting a 24 Volt Ramsey that may or may not be installed on something, some day. At least that's what I've thought for 15 years or so.

I feel like the Ramsey is an easy fix and parts. I have a dealer very close by.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

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I feel like the Ramsey is an easy fix and parts. I have a dealer very close by.

Well, realistically you shouldn't need any parts or warranty no matter what. Unless you buy a HF winch or the equivalent.

Yes, I have broken winches, but that was during testing on a dyno. Many of them broke the cable, but a couple did indeed break.

 

[LouNY]

The hydraulic weigh indicators that tee into the hydraulic system are just measuring hydraulic pressure and are being scaled to indicate in pounds instead of psi. Once configured and calibrated correctly they will provide a consistent weight indication. However that indication will only be accurate at the height and angle of the bucket or pallet forks that the calibration was performed at and on. Depending upon the position used for calibration the accuracy is quite an S curve with only one close to correct spot. And a bucket will not read the same as pallet forks and changing buckets will also effect the results as will how the bucket is filled and leveled. They work good for dispensing material out of super sacks held in a consistent height.

If trying to weight bagged or palleted materials the crane scale type indicators are more accurate;

 

[Hay Dude]

The hydraulic weigh indicators that tee into the hydraulic system are just measuring hydraulic pressure and are being scaled to indicate in pounds instead of psi. Once configured and calibrated correctly they will provide a consistent weight indication. However that indication will only be accurate at the height and angle of the bucket or pallet forks that the calibration was performed at and on. Depending upon the position used for calibration the accuracy is quite an S curve with only one close to correct spot. And a bucket will not read the same as pallet forks and changing buckets will also effect the results as will how the bucket is filled and leveled. They work good for dispensing material out of super sacks held in a consistent height.

If trying to weight bagged or palleted materials the crane scale type indicators are more accurate;
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I would use it almost exclusively for large square bales, so the the loader would be equipped with my HLA triple bale spear

 

[LouNY]

I would use it almost exclusively for large square bales, so the the loader would be equipped with my HLA triple bale spear

Once calibrated with the spear, using the spear in the same position as calibrated you should be good. One way to calibrate would be to weigh three bales on a good scale individually and mark the bales weight, bring them home and calibrate using them as transfer standards. Then vary the order you spear them in and see how much the weigh seems to change.

added; also you will be able to see how much the indicated weight varies depending on the angle of the spear and the height of the loader arms.

 

[Rustyiron]

I've only had 3 winches (other than little atv type) and they were all Ramsey's. 1 electric, 1 pto and 1 hydraulic. The mechanical PTO was my favorite but I imagine that your right about it being a nightmare if not impossible to get to the front bumper with a driveshaft. I missed it if you mentioned what drives (12v or hyd) the Ramsey that you're looking at?
If you have any other uses for hydraulics on your truck or trailer(s), you'd be Mr. Cool in my book having a "wet line" on a lighter truck than usually seen on.
That is if this 15k Ramsey is hyd.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Ordered a trailer recently that supposedly uses the same pump for the dove tail as the jacks. If it looks feasible I might consider putting a hydraulic winch (which I have) on it.

But...are there wireless remotes available for hydraulic winches? Never looked into it. One reason I put an electric winch (the ComeUp) on the Unimog, even though it sits less than two feet from the front outlets.

Also, hydraulic and PTO winches only work when the engine does. A vehicle on its side is not a good candidate, for example. Okay, that's more of a Jeep thing, but still.

 

[Hay Dude]

I've only had 3 winches (other than little atv type) and they were all Ramsey's. 1 electric, 1 pto and 1 hydraulic. The mechanical PTO was my favorite but I imagine that your right about it being a nightmare if not impossible to get to the front bumper with a driveshaft. I missed it if you mentioned what drives (12v or hyd) the Ramsey that you're looking at?
If you have any other uses for hydraulics on your truck or trailer(s), you'd be Mr. Cool in my book having a "wet line" on a lighter truck than usually seen on.
That is if this 15k Ramsey is hyd.

The Ramsey is a basic 12V electric I found on FBM. I want to keep it simple on the Ram, even though I have a PTO on the side of the Aisin doing exactly nothing.
Would like to utilize it, but I have my $ limitations.
I would think a hydraulic pump, tank, lines and winch would be over 5 grand.
Although much nicer, it’s not worth that much over a Ramsey or Sherpa 12V.

 

[Hay Dude]

Well, realistically you shouldn't need any parts or warranty no matter what. Unless you buy a HF winch or the equivalent.

Yes, I have broken winches, but that was during testing on a dyno. Many of them broke the cable, but a couple did indeed break.

Another nice thing about the Ramsey is made in Tulsa, OK.

 

[MTGreen]

But...are there wireless remotes available for hydraulic winches?

Should be doable with a double acting solenoid valve and remote setup but likely fab it yourself or $$$$$

 

[Hay Dude]

Should be doable with a double acting solenoid valve and remote setup but likely fab it yourself or $$$$$

I’m fine with the 15’ wired-in lead.

I’m more stuck between buying the Ramsey 15K @ $1,000 versus a new Sherpa 25K @ $2,000.

My truck weighs 11K unloaded. I’d prefer a bigger winch, but 15K leaves me 4K for some rolling resistance from being stuck in mud.

Also probably enough for the average 20” diameter fallen log I want to winch out of the woods?

 

[MTGreen]

I’m fine with the 15’ wired-in lead.

I’m more stuck between buying the Ramsey 15K @ $1,000 versus a new Sherpa 25K @ $2,000.

My truck weighs 11K unloaded. I’d prefer a bigger winch, but 15K leaves me 4K for some rolling resistance from being stuck in mud.

Also probably enough for the average 20” diameter fallen log I want to winch out of the woods?

Remember 15k applies only at single wind layer on the spool. Double/triple wind the rating drops off sharply. Not very many winching situations in my experience have the luxury of having your anchor point exactly placed at the optimal single wind cable distance. On the other hand, the 15k is likely to wind faster

 

[Rustyiron]

HD are your self recovery situations mostly getting out of the field with the g/n loaded and it's just a little too greasy?

 

[Hay Dude]

HD are your self recovery situations mostly getting out of the field with the g/n loaded and it's just a little too greasy?

Good points and good question.
Usually I have a tractor for that situation, since I am loading hay on the trailer in the field. So usually I just chain-up and pull the Ram & trailer to dry ground with loader tractor. Very easy.

The front winch I want for the Ram would probably be used more for log recovery and maybe occasionally for getting the Ram unstuck when no tractor available.

Basically, I want the winch to pull out logs where I don’t want to drive tractor and maybe for an occassional stuck truck.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

The front winch I want for the Ram would probably be used more for log recovery and maybe occasionally for getting the Ram unstuck when no tractor available.

The latter opens up a new series of questions...what would you use for anchor points?

I pictured more open terrain, but maybe you're largely surrounded by trees.

 

[Rustyiron]

I imagined that your tractor would be close by in that situation. Hayfields are usually hurting for a winch attachment point.

 

[Rustyiron]

While I don't know anything about your operations other than here on TBN, for the storm cleanup and similar woods work I'd think about finding a deal on a Milemarker or other hydraulic winch and put something together for a tractor 3pt. You already have a complete "wet line" on the back of all your tractors. Put a grapple on the front and you have a farmer skidder.
I built this for my firewood and I mainly cut 12" or less diameter.

A simple winch and maybe a little extension for a removed by a couple of feet fairlead for better wire spooling/unspooling. All the other do dads are handy but a little pricey.
I doubt if you'd loose any money if you decided to sell it. There's not many out there making them commercially.
(That's only a 8000# winch FYI)