DIY septic tank and drain field?

   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #41  
but i think systems that do not need any pumps are the best by far....nothing to fail. the guy i work for does easily 70-80% of his jobs with gravity systems. but on the lake or high water table jobs, this is the only think that passes state laws.
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #42  
I do not think I have ever seen a high tech system that was not a maintenance nightmare
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #44  
Sorry about the rant. I'll talk to some of my neighbors and see what they say. Every time I complain to them about hassles with the county they roll their eyes and ask me why I'm dealing with them.

And for the record, this is a sizeable piece of property. The system would be nowhere near any neighbors and 200 yards from the nearest flowing water. The point being, nothing I did here could impact anyone else even if I did it wrong.

Agree with the others - just tie into your existing system - gravity is best and easiest, but if a longer run, install a small pump tank with 1.5 or 2" pump line to your existing tank.

If you're not adding any septic load (like 3-4 more people and laundry etc( then don't worry about the field.

As far as talking to your neighbors, that's up to you, but best to keep as quiet as possible and put in the foundation/plumbing with a minimum of activity like trucks/gravel etc. if you want to do this under the radar.
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #45  
About 17 years ago I had a house built. The house was done but we could not move in because the septic was not done. Reputable septic installers were about 6 months out so I decided to do my own septic. Even though I had never even sat on a backhoe I bought a Case 580 CK backhoe.
I was required by the county to get the septic system engineered. So I did that. The system I had engineered was an infiltrator type system. This required, at a minimum, 4 feet of sandy loam for the drain field. For the 3 bedrooms and two bathrooms I needed to dig 4 ditches. Each ditch was two feet deep and fifty feet long. The ditches were 40 inches wide. The ditches needed to be flat and level within one inch over the 40 inch width and fifty foot length. I could not add material to make the ditches level and flat, all the earth needs to be undisturbed.
I had to make a blade that fit over the backhoe dipper that was flat. This blade fit over the teeth of the dipper. This made life much easier. I dug the ditches depth just slightly less than needed and used a shovel and rake to bring the ditches to final depth and level. I marked the handle of my rake with a Sharpie in 1/2 inch increments and used a laser that showed me the depth of the ditch so that I could use the rake to achieve the final depth and level requirements.
Though I had never even sat on a backhoe or done any kind of earthworks I was still able to install my own septic system. The county health inspector even brought other employees to see my system as it was installed. At first to show folks the wrong way and then, as I learned, what the right way should look like. When I was done the health department said my system installation was one of the best they had seen and employees were brought to my place to be shown what a proper installation should look like.
So, based on my experience, you should be able to install your own infiltrator type septic system.
Some things you should think about:
The drain field is not meant to continually absorb and drain away water. What it does is act like a sponge that collects water and then this water evaporates away. This is why, where I live, 4 feet of sandy loam is required. I don't know what is required in your area. Water flows into the ground in pulses, like from showers or from the washing machine. The water then evaporates away during periods between these pulses. Where I live, and I imagine this is how virtually all systems work, the water introduced into the septic system is meant to evaporate away. It is NOT supposed to continually soak into the ground because this would tend to contaminate ground water.
The septic tank is meant to hold solids. So the septic tank is always full. Mostly liquid. This liquid flows, in pulses, to the drain field. The solids are trapped in the tank. The pulses of liquid, water, flow into the infiltrator ditches, soak into the ground just beneath the ditches, then spread into the ground on either side of the ditches, and then finally evaporate.
Based on my experience you could indeed install your own septic system. Whether or not you get a permit is up to you. But you should understand how a septic system works and if you think you have the wherewithal to do the installation.
Eric
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #46  
here, they view tank and field size against the number of bedrooms and bathrooms. and peculation test results.

i do the electrical for a guy that installs very intricate systems to use on lake front property. some consist of 3 x 1000 gallon tanks and sand filters. plus positive pressure drip systems. the control side sucks



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Yikes! My septic controller looks like this...

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   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #51  
If-then-this
I just looked up ladder logic….
Been so long since I have written any, and have forgotten so much!

Close to 30 years since we got rid of ladder logic!
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #52  
I just looked up ladder logic….
Been so long since I have written any, and have forgotten so much!

Close to 30 years since we got rid of ladder logic!
Back around 1987-1989 I got to help develop the logic for programmable controllers that ran the inking system through relay racks on our old printing press at the newspaper. We designed and built it ourselves all in-house. Pretty satisfying.

I still use ladder logic to draw out circuits.
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #53  
Back around 1987-1989 I got to help develop the logic for programmable controllers that ran the inking system through relay racks on our old printing press at the newspaper. We designed and built it ourselves all in-house. Pretty satisfying.

I still use ladder logic to draw out circuits.
Yea, I was thrown into it when I started my job, no experience and had a gazillion things to learn!

Nothing like trial by fire!

It is satisfying solving issues you did not have a clue about last week or last month!

🤓
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #54  
I think it was the TI VPU-200a that I had my first foray into programming with, solving some glitches, then I took some classes after I solved them

A little 9/10” screen with a fold down keyboard and a floppy drive
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field?
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#55  
Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I haven't followed closely.

To clarify a few things:

The cost of the permits is not the issue. It is the level of incompetence and almost adversarial approach to contractors and home owners. It takes months to get done what should take twenty minutes. Literally. And no, it is not due to backlogs. Nothing is being built in this county.

The goal is to build the addition with zero county involvement. Yes, its that bad. If I have to do it through regular channels then I won't do it at all. Again, the locals all think I'm nuts when I get the proper authorities involved.

No, there are no scheduled inspections of septic systems.

My main two concerns about tying into the existing system is that I have concerns about its capacity. There will still be the same number of occupants but there will be more occasions for more visitors from time to time. Will it be possible to tie it into the existing system? I think so. It would be tricky but doable.

There are no plans to sell the property. Plus, I could possibly have it plumbed and ready to hook into the existing system just not connected and if we did sell or whatever then just tie it in real quick.

Finally, I'm not a renegade by nature. Just the opposite in fact. This is a bit out of my comfort zone but after the nightmare my contractor just went through simply to add a masonry fire place and chimney I cannot imagine dealing with the county again.
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #56  
Just curious, how do such county officials stay in power?
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #57  
Also; can anyone confirm, is it totally SQ FT of bedrooms, sq ft of living space, or number of bedrooms, that dictates sizing?
My county counts a room with a closet, as a bedroom. When I bought this house, it needed a new septic. The county thought this was a 4 bedroom house, needing a 4 line field. When I pointed out there are only 2 rooms with closets, the size of the required field went down by half, since they said it's only a 2 bedroom house. They took my word for it, and didn't want/need to come for a looksee.
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #58  
My county counts a room with a closet, as a bedroom. When I bought this house, it needed a new septic. The county thought this was a 4 bedroom house, needing a 4 line field. When I pointed out there are only 2 rooms with closets, the size of the required field went down by half, since they said it's only a 2 bedroom house. They took my word for it, and didn't want/need to come for a looksee.
Thank you. My round about point, for our OP, an additional bathroom does Not mean there is more waste water. Two people flushing toilets, doing dishes, ect, crate the same approx 70-110 gal per day per person, weather it's a 1 bath or 7 bath home. If your concerned with capacity, one of the best things to do, is get the washing machine off the septic and just pipe it to a ditch/flower bed/low area, and remove that load.
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #59  
I would be more concerned with piping sinks, showers, dishwasher off the septic, as you might attract coons/opossums/varmints. Washing machine, even if it just sheet flows across the yard, or whatever *not directly to surface water; maybe you get dollar weed, but thats it. No rodents/pests. Washing machine is like 15-30 gallons per load.
 
   / DIY septic tank and drain field? #60  
For anyone who is worried; water is typically considered "treated" after flowing across 200 LF of vegetation, so worries about algae blooms in a pond/creek are unfounded. The veg will remove the nutrients from thar gray water
 

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