hiddentacocatneddih
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That's true but part of being union
Will UAW Strike?
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paulsharvey
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Take construction; you have labor, semi skilled labor, skilled labor, foremen, superintendents, project managers. Not every 'electrician' needs to be able to wire a box, or diagnose a problem; most need to run wire, set boxes, install switches/outlets; you really only need one guy per crew who is what I would called truly skilled labor. Most stuff is like that.
A grade crew, gonna have a shovel guy or two[unskilled] (who can hop on a roller, clean curbs, pull a string line, spot utilities, back up dump trucks), a loader man [semi skilled] (push rock/dirt, load trucks, pick up windrows with out gouging the base), and a dozer or grader man [normally riding the fence between skilled and foreman/superintendent]; the shovel guys are 100% replaceable (although, hard to find nowadays); the loader man, he can be replaced or a shovel guy moved up, but you'll miss the operator; the grader guy, worth his wait in gold; he gets a DUI, you give the loader man a truck and tell him he has to pick up graderman, he gets locked up for beating with girlfriend, you bail him out; although replaceable, the job comes to a screaming halt until he is replaced.
The admin world is the same way; everyone can be replaced but some, it's difficult.
The advantage of mass manufacturing, they can have a simple repetitive, training program, where guys can simply plugged in, trained, and the whole process moves on. Now, as you move up from the base floor line, your guys keeping parts, tools, ect coming in on time/repaired/replaced, much harder to plug and play.
A grade crew, gonna have a shovel guy or two[unskilled] (who can hop on a roller, clean curbs, pull a string line, spot utilities, back up dump trucks), a loader man [semi skilled] (push rock/dirt, load trucks, pick up windrows with out gouging the base), and a dozer or grader man [normally riding the fence between skilled and foreman/superintendent]; the shovel guys are 100% replaceable (although, hard to find nowadays); the loader man, he can be replaced or a shovel guy moved up, but you'll miss the operator; the grader guy, worth his wait in gold; he gets a DUI, you give the loader man a truck and tell him he has to pick up graderman, he gets locked up for beating with girlfriend, you bail him out; although replaceable, the job comes to a screaming halt until he is replaced.
The admin world is the same way; everyone can be replaced but some, it's difficult.
The advantage of mass manufacturing, they can have a simple repetitive, training program, where guys can simply plugged in, trained, and the whole process moves on. Now, as you move up from the base floor line, your guys keeping parts, tools, ect coming in on time/repaired/replaced, much harder to plug and play.
paulsharvey
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Where unions Really could/can be good for the company, themselves, and their workers; if (and some do) they provide training, drug screening, self policing, where they can provide quality workers to companies in need, with a certain level of guaranteed skill. For that to work well, for everyone's benefit; the union needs to root out the lazy, addicts, BSers, and Yes, companies would happily pay a premium for that.
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In this situation, the question is whether the top union guy is either really smart or really lucky. It doesn't seem like the best timing to strike for higher wages when a recession might just be around the corner.
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Fain gets paid no matter what I imagine. I just don't feel he's in touch with the reality of current economics. As the strike continues on, I have to winder how much the rank and file will take before they remove Fain. Time will tell I guess.
In the meantime, there are some really good deals popping up on FB and CL as the union members are attempting to get 'out from under' toys they can no longer afford. Myself, I'm not in the market for anything anyway.
As a rule, I refrain from buying anything used, especially used stuff owned by autoworkers because most of them don't take good care of their 'toys' anyway.
In the meantime, there are some really good deals popping up on FB and CL as the union members are attempting to get 'out from under' toys they can no longer afford. Myself, I'm not in the market for anything anyway.
As a rule, I refrain from buying anything used, especially used stuff owned by autoworkers because most of them don't take good care of their 'toys' anyway.
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Mtsoxfan
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"especially used stuff owned by autoworkers because most of them don't take good care of their 'toys' anyway."
Based on???
Based on???
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Thanks for asking the question I also have. When he shares that with us, I am sure that it is going to be very revealing.
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It sure is, but also, they shouldn't get upset if someone calls them a scab.
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I’m sure many folks here have had acquaintances who have worked in Amazon warehouses. I do.
Not a single person I know enjoys their job. They are there for the money. Period. They are constantly looking for another job.
It’s not a happy life when you are in that situation.