4820 vs 5520 (DPF)

[GT3 Mike]

Hi all, first post here.

I'm looking at these two tractors locally and have a question about the DPF filter. I know on the 4820 it can be eliminated with no check engine light but is there one on the 5520 and can it be deleted the same way ?

Also, are either of these tractors too heavy to move on a car trailer with 3500lb axles ?

Thanks !

 

[ptsg]

Hi. Welcome to TBN.

Both models use the same engine, however the 5520 also has a Turbo for the extra HP. DPF wise, it's works the same.

Yes, you can take it off and unplug the data logger/DPF controller but you'll lose some of the gauges in these newer models. A little extra work may be necessary if you don't want the DPF lights to be constantly On.

 

[stoyan79]

These are identical machines, except 5520 has turbo to make few extra HP.
Turbo is helpful at high altitude or if you are using the PTO a lot. I am in Indiana and I rarely use the PTO, so I got the 4820.

 

[GT3 Mike]

I am also in Indiana. This is more of a hobby tractor for me. The difference in price between both tractors is about $1300. I'm moving up from a Yanmar 276D. Not even working it on a farm or anything really commercial or even very hard. I just want to buy once/cry once. This is likely a lifetime purchase for me.

 

[2manyrocks]

Avoiding the turbo means one less thing to fail, esp. if you don't actually need it.

I haven't a clue about your car trailer question other than to say I suspect it also matters whether you will be towing on hills and have brakes on the trailer. It also matters if you have sturdy ramps because if the trailer shifts when you are loading, that can be disasterous.

 

[GT3 Mike]

I understand the turbo is one more thing to fail. For buying new and likely keeping 20+ years I like the idea of having more power and capability than I may ever need, especially not really costing much more initially for that.

Car trailer has disk brakes on both axles with steel ramps. It SHOULD be fine but I would feel better with heavier axles for sure.

 

[stoyan79]

Yes, turbo is a maintenance item, AND if you have a turbo tractor, you have to idle it for 2 minutes before shut off, to let the turbo cool.

 

[TractorTYMe]

I would upgrade the trailer to 10k GVW trailer, you're gonna exceed the payload as soon as you add attachment to any of these tractors with a 7k GVW trailer.

 

[GT3 Mike]

I think the 5520 ROPS is 5300 lbs ( ~ ) with the bucket. I pulled a similar weight SUV a couple years ago and it did fine. I just feel like the 4820/5520 is heavier than that.

 

[2manyrocks]

The other thing to watch for is that the trailer itself doesn't drop when the weight of the tractor shifts onto it. I don't have a picture handy to post this second, but my ramps have legs so this doesn't happen. I've seen a few car trailers that have extendable legs on them, too, for this reason.

As for HP, I have a Yanmar 226d, used to own a 35hp Mahindra 3525, and recently got a 52hp MX5200. I didn't want the turbo on the MX, but the price was better than the other options. The manual says to idle 3-5 minutes before shutdown because of the turbo.

The difference in useable power going from 35hp to 52 was astounding. Going uphill and using a 6' cutter are no problem. I doubt that I would notice if it was 48hp.

I also feel like the MX is far more stable than the Mahindra on hillsides. You may be in a flat part of Indiana where it doesn't matter?

Torvy went for the turbo on his TYM over the 48hp. You might reach out to him for his opinion or search his posts on it.

My thought is going from the 276d to 48hp on a larger frame tractor will be a pleasant surprise, no disrespect to Yanmar. Yanmar makes a very high quality tractor.

 

[stoyan79]

Yes, 10k GVW trailer, minimum. Trailer will probably weight 3k, 4820 cab weights 7k with loader and ballast.

My trailer is steel tilt deck. Never need to deal with ramps or rotted boards.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Hi all, first post here.

I'm looking at these two tractors locally and have a question about the DPF filter. I know on the 4820 it can be eliminated with no check engine light but is there one on the 5520 and can it be deleted the same way ?

Also, are either of these tractors too heavy to move on a car trailer with 3500lb axles ?

Thanks !

Both tractors are the same in respect to both questions. Same emissions on both, and same weight.

By the time you add a loader to each and ballast in the rear tires, both will be over the weight rating on your trailer. Plus whatever implement you have on the 3 pt hitch.

This is overweight on my trailer too. Not to mention over length (18 foot trailer). I do put a flag on the back. Notice the cheap Harbor Freight jack stands I set under the back of the trailer when loading or unloading (I just put the ramps away from loading, and hadn't chained it down yet or taken the jack stands out). I also hadn't put a shot of air in my air bags on the truck yet (F-250).

As the tractor sits in that picture, it weighs 7100 lbs. Trailer weighs 1900 lbs. Yes, it's overweight (by 1000 lbs), no I shouldn't be hauling it this way. Trailer brakes work well and it will stop just as well as the truck would by itself.

It "works", and I'm getting by with it. All of my trips with it have been short hauls and on flat ground. Doesn't make it right though.

A gooseneck equipment trailer has been on my Christmas list for a while now, but Santa keeps bringing me coal instead.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I’ve got the 4820 and love it. I do a lot of PTO work

 

[Fixastuff]

I my opinion the turbo failure rate is way over stated. Especially in tractors/equipment where the boost pressure is very low. Almost everyone I've seen failed on cars or trucks was from using crap oil or running with a boost leak that then overspins the turbo because it can't reach desired psi.

 

[Torvy]

Thanks for the lead in @2manyrocks.

Yes, I went for the T574H (close cousin to the 5520). I preferred the creature comfort/quality of life stuff on it versus the 20 series. Both are great and use the same engine. Just a preference thing for me...3pt adjust lever in the back, 3rd function valve buttons pre-built into joystick, 2 sets of rear remotes standard.

I went turbo because of the low additional cost for extra HP. Some pto implements I am going to need want a bunch (chipper, for example). I don't like running out of spec or on the margins if I can help it. Spinning down the turbo is no big deal to me. I use that time to go over my 'post-flight' checklist and listening to the engine is part of that. I originally thought I would get the T494H but it really came down to a nice boost in HP for a small bump in price.

I'm not using it to make a living, so I decided I can wait on repairs and am willing to pay someone else to trailer it. I intentionally got a trailer that cannot haul it....that and as mentioned, you start to get a big trailer with a big load and for me it meant a bigger truck. That was out of budget scope. YMMV.

 

[GT3 Mike]

Both tractors are the same in respect to both questions. Same emissions on both, and same weight.

By the time you add a loader to each and ballast in the rear tires, both will be over the weight rating on your trailer. Plus whatever implement you have on the 3 pt hitch.

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As the tractor sits in that picture, it weighs 7100 lbs. Trailer weighs 1900 lbs. Yes, it's overweight (by 1000 lbs), no I shouldn't be hauling it this way. Trailer brakes work well and it will stop just as well as the truck would by itself.

Thanks for the info. I have a 22' Rice Hauler. I only will have the Tractor/Loader on it at most. Only really need to move it a couple miles from my house to my pole barn. I more or less was asking because I might have to pick it up and bring it home, which is about a 40 mile trip. Im going to try and have them deliver it to me as part of the deal.

 

[GT3 Mike]

Thanks for the lead in @2manyrocks.

Yes, I went for the T574H (close cousin to the 5520). I preferred the creature comfort/quality of life stuff on it versus the 20 series. Both are great and use the same engine. Just a preference thing for me...3pt adjust lever in the back, 3rd function valve buttons pre-built into joystick, 2 sets of rear remotes standard.

I went turbo because of the low additional cost for extra HP. Some pto implements I am going to need want a bunch (chipper, for example). I don't like running out of spec or on the margins if I can help it. Spinning down the turbo is no big deal to me. I use that time to go over my 'post-flight' checklist and listening to the engine is part of that. I originally thought I would get the T494H but it really came down to a nice boost in HP for a small bump in price.

I am in the same boat as you. I may end up looking at the T574H because I mostly will be using it to move boat trailers around and the 3pt lever at the back would be extremely handy ! I also agree that at this dollar amount, the cost of the extra HP from the turbo motor is not really that big. I don't even need a 20 series tractor but I would rather over buy right now and never have to buy or upgrade again.

 

[GT3 Mike]

Torvy - What is your thoughts on TYM possibly discontinuing the 5520 since it was a Branson model and so close to the T574 ?

 

[Torvy]

My guess (hope?) Is that when they next 'upgrade' models they will merge the two. The 4820/494 and 5520/574 would become a new model with all the best features of both lines. If they do that and keep the parts in production, I think they will be golden. They already share engines.

If you look at how they have done the merger, they have included the Kukje tech and branded it TYM. They not only acquired Branson US facilities, but are expanding. I don't think they will abandon that base, but will evolve...just like all brands. Remember, TYM started this purchase in 2016. They could have just taken the Kukje engine patents and production and shuttered the rest. They seem to be playing a long game and it looks promising.

 

[2manyrocks]

When two companies merge, it can be difficult to predict where things will end up.

Logically, it would be more efficient if they produce tractors with the most similar components, but allow for upscaling at minimal cost. The most obvious is sharing the 48hp engine among the T474 and T494, but then adding the turbo for the T574.

If the Bransons were made on entirely separate production lines, they probably have to figure what efficiencies can be gained by streamlining production vs continuing to produce and sell the Branson models including future parts distribution.

How this plays into continued production of the Bransons probably depends on some internal cost/benefit analysis. If TYM/Branson dealers are pleading with corporate for more Bransons to sell, that would be influential. They will certainly want to look at what sells and what continues to be profitable.

All that to say, I don't know.