CloverKnollFarms
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Also, money is drying up… earnings are coming in lower than expected and companies are slowing production so they don’t get out over their skis. This week has been rough in the markets… reality is setting in
Dealers Not Accepting Some Brands on Trade
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tacticalturnip
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Man, one day I'm going to make it back to Texas; I don't know what I was thinking, moving back to this winter wonderland. 
JONNY BOYYY
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DEALERS KNOW WHAT SELLS AND DOESNT SELL OR WHAT IS A HARD SELL...MOST DEALERS WILL ACCEPT ANY BRAND ON TRADE BUT THESE ARE HARD SELLS UNLESS THEY CAN SELL THEM REALLY CHEAP AND TAKE THEM IN TRADE REALLY LOW..THE SAME WITH CAR DEALERS WITH GM TRADES..
ulflyer
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On several of my favorite motorcycle riding routes here in central to Western NC, I pass several Mahindra, two large Kubota and one large JD dealer, all packed with tractors. Been that way all year. Yards are full every time I pass, making me think that that not much is moving.
Martin Roper
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This is the trouble if you have the economy brands, they don't have the value in them for the dealer to trade on in any form so they are better off offering a discount with out the hassle of the trade, because believe it or not but even dealers have to make money.
blitzen
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I have been looking at buying another tractor and want to trade my New Holland in. I have been told by 2 dealerships that I would be better off selling my tractor than trading it in.(they offered no price on trade) They were both TYM dealerships. I may list it for sale but more than likely I will just keep on using it as I have been. The tractor is a want not really a need. I am thinking that plowing snow in a cab tractor would be nicer than plowing snow in my open station. The reason I was given makes sense-dealer said they have similar sized open stations that are 5-6k more for a new one with warranty. I will probably stick with a name brand tractor-they may cost a little more but you will get more back when you sell.
I had a TYM that I sold myself. Two different dealers for Yanmar would not take as trade. One said there was no dealer support in that location and the other flat out said they were junk. I understand the dealers position but it's how and what you tell a potential customer that makes a difference. I ended up getting a Kubota.
2manyrocks
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Tractor data says the Mahindra 2538 is built by TYM.
Another issue that seems to be going on is finding tractor mechanics to keep tractors running. I have a suspicion that one of the reasons for not wanting trade ins is the dealerships don't have the mechanics to figure out what is wrong and to make repairs on a cost effective basis on other brands. So they just don't want other brands that their mechanics aren't familiar with.
Another issue that seems to be going on is finding tractor mechanics to keep tractors running. I have a suspicion that one of the reasons for not wanting trade ins is the dealerships don't have the mechanics to figure out what is wrong and to make repairs on a cost effective basis on other brands. So they just don't want other brands that their mechanics aren't familiar with.
ENORMIS
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Dealers, have to deal with that traded in tractor once they receive it.
Are they gonna move it quick or is it gonna sit?
If it breaks for the new owner can they get it easily serviced?
Is that brand/model moving at auctions.?
There's so many things to consider from a dealers point of view that customers can't understand.
Also a good reason to buy name brands that bring $ like JD, Kubota, etc.
...and some brands can be very regional.
CloverKnollFarms
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You are always better off selling it outright. Last year dealers were telling me they were not looking to take trades, because trade values were too high, and they feared the market would correct, and they would be left holding the bag. That could be an issue today
Gurney1010
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A considerable number of New Holland smaller and mid-range utility tractors are made by LS. Same tractor except for decals. I have an LS, and when I need a parts item , I just use the New Holland parts diagrams and order the appropriate part from New Holland. The exact tractor, comparably equipped sells for approximately 10k more new with the NH emblems, so even if resale value on the LS is somewhat less, it all evens out in the long run.
I agree wholeheartedly!
tacticalturnip
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A lot of the LS guys seem to do that; it seems the New Holland dealers either have a better parts network, or they get priority when ordering parts.
Shenandoah MF1760
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The last time I had my tractor in for just its initial servicing it was gone for over 2 weeks. I can't imagine how long it might take to get parts on another brand of tractor that is outside of their service network. I worry that my Massey dealer which has just added New Holland to their offerings might drop the Massey line. One reason I bought Massey was local dealer support.
I have an independent automobile mechanic that services everything but German vehicles. Why? He claims that he'd have to invest in another set of diagnostic tools to work on them and it's not worth it to him. I wonder if that's one reason for the reluctance to take Korean tractors.
Conversely, my son who is a BMW mechanic for a dealership won't work on his own F-150. He claims he knows nothing about Fords. I think mechanics these days are far too dependent on computer diagnostic and maintenance tools.
I have an independent automobile mechanic that services everything but German vehicles. Why? He claims that he'd have to invest in another set of diagnostic tools to work on them and it's not worth it to him. I wonder if that's one reason for the reluctance to take Korean tractors.
Conversely, my son who is a BMW mechanic for a dealership won't work on his own F-150. He claims he knows nothing about Fords. I think mechanics these days are far too dependent on computer diagnostic and maintenance tools.
2manyrocks
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What is interesting to me about that is there are guys who get so excited about restoring old IH farm tractors. Mahindra apparently used to be in a business relationship to make IH tractors and kept on making tractors using those IH designs after IH went out of business. So my Mahindra 3525 appears to have a Mahindra engine, but looks to be very much like one of the IH b series so far as everything else goes. The brake discs are the same as the B444 uses, etc. But no interest in Mahindra from the IH guys that I can see.
There are lots of older Massey Fergusons near me in Middle Tennessee. I was told they used to be sold at the local farmers co-op (I don't remember myself). But they really don't have the brand presence in new tractors today around here like they did 30 years ago.
There are lots of older Massey Fergusons near me in Middle Tennessee. I was told they used to be sold at the local farmers co-op (I don't remember myself). But they really don't have the brand presence in new tractors today around here like they did 30 years ago.
Shenandoah MF1760
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Interesting. As the owner of an '08 F-450 with a 6.4 in it, this is good to know.
Every time I mention this truck to a mechanic they say, "Sell it!", but not to them.
Yes, I know the engine is as fragile as glass and it goes through oil changes twice as often as it should due to "making oil".
I had thought about trading it in only because it's an XL and lacks a lot of creature comforts. I even had to add cruise control to it. But it has only 90K miles and its only used as a tow vehicle for our 5th wheel. If I get 200K out of it I'll be happy. It looks and runs good, but has been hobbled by its emission controls.
rogerauf
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AGCO is more concerned with pushing Fendt brand over any other brand. That's why they killed Challenger, New Idea, White and many other brands. The MF compacts are Iseki made and are good tractors. CNH compacts were made by Shibaura but now they are LS and not the same quality. Many of the Indian and Korean made tractor will not have as high a resale value. There are always exceptions but the Japanese tractors are usually better quality. Contrary to popular belief, there are no tractors under 100 hp made in the US. JD claims some are made in Georgia but they are just final assembled out of the shipping container there.
Seems crazy to still not take 6.0L's in trade, at this late stage in the game. The newest 6.0L equipped trucks were from 2007, and vans from 2010. Anything that old is going to the auction anyway. The sad thing is by now, the problems of the 6.0L are well known and there are fixes for all the problems, mostly from International / Ford updates, but also from the aftermarket. Once done, they are pretty nice engines.
Dealers will lowball, but $11k for an 11 year old 550? Was it 4x4? Really high miles? Rusted out? That seems extremely cheap. Was it a V10 or the 6.7L? We've got a 2012 F-550 6.7L diesel 4x4 that's been nearly bulletproof, had the DEF tank heater failure and both NOx sensors fail, but otherwise nothing. Then again, I have a friend in the excavating business, he also had a 2012 550 diesel dump truck, with 60k miles on it (but 7 years old so out of warranty) the engine crankshaft broke!
Not all of them are. Many people think there's nothing more American than a John Deere tractor, but a lot of the mid-size utility tractors are in fact made in Pune, India. The large, Ag-oriented JD tractors are made in USA and are very good machines. Some of the smaller JD tractors are made in the US, but almost all the smaller JD machines (<75HP I think) have Japanese-made Yanmar diesel engines.
Most automobile dealerships will take any car in trade these days, but that's because the auto brands are all well-established and its not particularly hard to get any brand of vehicle repaired or serviced. Book values are also clearly established. With tractor dealers, from what I've seen and experienced, a JD dealer will take JD and Kubota trade-ins; a Kubota dealer will take Kubota and JD trade-ins. Some will take Massey or NH. Many will not take the Korean (Kioti, Branson, LS, TYM, etc) or Indian (Mahindra) tractors. The easy excuse is that they don't know how or cannot service these brands, reliably get parts, etc. There may be some truth to that. A lot of the Asian tractors (excluding Kubota) have factory-sold implements like a front-end loader or rotary cutter, etc...that are made by who knows who, and parts can be very hard to source. On a JD or Kubota, those parts are easy to source, plenty of service info, etc. Beyond that, there might be an intentional strategy of trying to lower value, or at least perceived value, of the 'value' brands by not taking trades. In fairness, the Korean and Indian brands do not hold their value as well and do not have as good a support system. They might be just fine for many users of course.
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