Solar Farm #2, dangers involved.

[riptides]

Renewable to me is the source, not the chain.

Some types of "Natural" gases are renewable.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

People keep saying solar is renewable ?

Is everything used to build the panels and inverters renewable ?

I have no idea, just curious

Renewable in this sense, has come to mean that as the earth rotates it creates a time period of darkness and a time period of daylight. So Solar power is new every morning, renewable! (inexhaustible)..
Firewood is also a renewable, as there are natural regrowth cylces of trees.

Is everything used to build the panels and inverters renewable ?
As with most manufactured products, they would be considered consumables.
For example, the first inverter I owned had a projected lifespan of 10 years (the warranty period). But failed at year 21.
First charge controller failed at 33 years.
Solar panels were replaced at year 38.

I have not had to replace the sun as a source of energy. But when it is needing replacement, I think that all bets are off for all of us. LOL!!

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

The sun isn't renewable. it is finite.

 

[jyoutz]

The sun isn't renewable. it is finite.

Hopefully not within the timeframe of our species on planet earth.

 

[bmaverick]

People keep saying solar is renewable ?

Is everything used to build the panels and inverters renewable ?

I have no idea, just curious

It's like toilet paper, it's renewable if you take the time to put every item properly in the recycle bin.

Back in the 90s, US Solar with their flexible panels were made with the intention to be recycled. They were the first ones with the patents too and even used by NASA in space.

Otherwise, most panels are not made with renewable materials.

 

[Hay Dude]

People keep saying solar is renewable ?

Is everything used to build the panels and inverters renewable ?

I have no idea, just curious

Wonder if the removal and recycling costs of solar panels is factored into the budgets for them if/when the government subsidizes them with taxpayer money?

Or is the cost of solar only budgeting land confiscation/purchase and installation of all the solar equipment imported from China?

At least a coal fired power plant could be repurposed for natural gas.

 

[RidgeTopWVA]

Wonder if the removal and recycling costs of solar panels is factored into the budgets for them if/when the government subsidizes them with taxpayer money?

Or is the cost of solar only budgeting land confiscation/purchase and installation of all the solar equipment imported from China?

At least a coal fired power plant could be repurposed for natural gas.

Marcellus Shale and or Utica Shale gas

 

[Hay Dude]

Renewable in this sense, has come to mean that as the earth rotates it creates a time period of darkness and a time period of daylight. So Solar power is new every morning, renewable! (inexhaustible)..
Firewood is also a renewable, as there are natural regrowth cylces of trees.

Is everything used to build the panels and inverters renewable ?
As with most manufactured products, they would be considered consumables.
For example, the first inverter I owned had a projected lifespan of 10 years (the warranty period). But failed at year 21.
First charge controller failed at 33 years.
Solar panels were replaced at year 38.

I have not had to replace the sun as a source of energy. But when it is needing replacement, I think that all bets are off for all of us. LOL!!

So I think in terms of commercial energy production for 300+ million people, the solar companies won’t wait for the panels to fail before replacement.
They will probably replace them at a pre-determined time, after they have lost a pre-determined level of efficiency.

The expectations of the solar panel system on Joe Snodgrass’s house probably differs quite a bit from an energy company trying to power Detroit, MI.

 

[RSKY]

Is this the proposed installation? Banjo Creek | Banjo Creek Solar


Video from that website:

That is it except the map that we were shown has the panel area closer to the creeks and edges. Once again, we want 1000' from property lines and not 300' from the front door of neighbors homes.

 

[MossRoad]

Here's a link to land that's been confiscated for solar installations. It's disturbing.

 

[riptides]

Here's a link to land that's been confiscated for solar installations. It's disturbing.

Not seeing your link. Or is that the purpose, there is no land "confiscated"?

 

[RidgeTopWVA]

Special Report: U.S. solar expansion stalled by rural land-use protests

The Solar Star project in California is among the largest solar energy facilities in the world, boasting 1.7 million panels spread over 3,000 acres north of Los Angeles. Its gargantuan scale points to an uncomfortable fact for the industry: a natural gas power plant 100 miles south produces the...

www.reuters.com

I would rather have a natural gas power plant on 122 acres of land than have to look at 1.7 million solar panels on 3000 acres of land ANY TIME..

Drill Baby Drill

 

[MossRoad]

Views: Natural gas power plant next door VS solar farm...
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Don't forget, the NG plant isn't running in that picture. When it runs, there's a continuous plume of steam to muck up the horizon that's visible for 20 miles.

Also, it dumps snow on anyone downwind in the winter. Thanks neighbor.

 

[RidgeTopWVA]

Views: Natural gas power plant next door VS solar farm...
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Don't forget, the NG plant isn't running in that picture. When it runs, there's a continuous plume of steam to muck up the horizon that's visible for 20 miles.

Also, it dumps snow on anyone downwind in the winter. Thanks neighbor.

The steam does not hurt the atmosphere and it does not dump snow on anyone in the winter it disipates pretty quickly , I worked in the petrochemical industry for 38 yrs , I would rather see a little steam disipate in the atmosphere rather than seeing acres and acres of solar power panels
I have worked in the power plants and the steam is coming from the cooling towers and they do not cause snow..I never seen us not have snow on the ground in the plant and a big snow storm over the fence in the local communities...That is B.S. , Steam from a cooling tower or any where else during cold weather does not cause snow fall else where...that is ludicrous..
The steam does not stay visible in the atmosphere for 20 miles..not hardly.

 

[riptides]

The steam does not hurt the atmosphere and it does not dump snow on anyone in the winter it disipates pretty quickly , I worked in the petrochemical industry for 38 yrs , I would rather see a little steam disipate in the atmosphere rather than seeing acres and acres of solar power panels
I have worked in the power plants and the steam is coming from the cooling towers and they do not cause snow..I never seen us not have snow on the ground in the plant's and big a big snow storm over the fence in the local communities...That is B.S. , Steam from a cooling tower or any where else during cold weather does not cause snow fall else where...that is ludicrous..
The steam does not stay visible in the atmosphere for 20 miles..not hardly.

May I suggest locally reported weather news on the steam/snow events.

It is a reported and recorded event that happens.

 

[Chewwy]

When it runs, there's a continuous plume of steam to muck up the horizon that's visible for 20 miles.

That is not steam. It’s water vapor. Steam does not exist at that temperature at anywhere near atmospheric pressure.

 

[Chewwy]

The steam does not hurt the atmosphere and it does not dump snow on anyone in the winter
. . .
Steam from a cooling tower or any where else during cold weather does not cause snow fall else where . . .

It is hard to believe that water vapor coming from a cooling tower does not freeze during cold weather resulting in frozen precipitation be it either snow or sleet.

However it is unlikely that such contribution to frozen precipitation is significant or evn measurable with respect to the water vapor in the atmospere from other sources.

 

[MossRoad]

A quick lesson in 'power plant snow'

Call it power plant plant snow!

www.fox19.com

Why Power Plants Are Acting Like Giant Snow Machines

The science of how industrial plants are causing snowfall all across the United States

www.forbes.com

Power plant causes 100-mile long snow plume

The plume originated from the smokestack at a power plant in Portage.

www.wisn.com

 

[MossRoad]

The steam does not hurt the atmosphere and it does not dump snow on anyone in the winter it disipates pretty quickly , I worked in the petrochemical industry for 38 yrs , I would rather see a little steam disipate in the atmosphere rather than seeing acres and acres of solar power panels
I have worked in the power plants and the steam is coming from the cooling towers and they do not cause snow..I never seen us not have snow on the ground in the plant and a big snow storm over the fence in the local communities...That is B.S. , Steam from a cooling tower or any where else during cold weather does not cause snow fall else where...that is ludicrous..
The steam does not stay visible in the atmosphere for 20 miles..not hardly.

Visible from 20 miles away. And further.

 

[RidgeTopWVA]

Visible from 20 miles away. And further.

I can see it 50 miles away with a pair of binoculars but it is not leaving a 20 mile long trail like you are saying.
You must be looking up too high in the sky and getting confused with vapor trails on jet airplanes.