Would you book a trip to outer space or under sea?

[MAX-24-Dean]

The entire Titantic shipwreck site has been digitally mapped with 700,000 images composited into a 3d model. Titanic: First ever full-sized scans reveal wreck as never seen before

Why the heck would anyone want to dive to it now?

I don't think anyone will probably take the next submersible tour!

But prior to this, for a conversation piece.
One rich guy talking to another rich guy, "I went down to see the Titanic in a submersible named Titan. It was an experience of a lifetime". Just one upped you!
Bragging rights I would guess.

 

[kenmbz]

Like why do people spend 10s of thousands to climb everest.
None of them ever look happy while on the mountain...

 

[2manyrocks]

I guess they haven't figured out that there are a zillion photos of these places already posted on the internet?

 

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I strongly suspect that these sorts of things wouldn't exist if you couldn't ever tell anyone else about them
people don't ride the bussubmersible to the titanic for the private experience, they do it for bragging rights
i think the same of climbing Everest, though even with porters doing a ton of the work for you and supplemental oxygen, it's still a major physical task, but still doubt anyone would do it without being able to have it known by others

In part it's because we're a social species, we like to talk about our experiences, but there's a lot of narcissism in seeking out activities specifically to have something to talk about. I don't trim the trees on my property to make conversation, but it may come up in conversation; and when it does come up, I'm definitely not expecting adoration or to impress anyone with my tree-trimming prowess

 

[MossRoad]

I believe a lot of people here on this forum are in the upper percentage per annual income and savings vs the median average in the US.

That said...

Lets say you get paid a dollar for every second you work, that is $3,600 per hour.

A million dollars would require 12 days.

A billion dollars would require 31 years.

I believe everyone except the pilot of the Titan was a billionaire. I don't think a billionaire thinks in terms of what kind of machine they want to buy to do manual labor for themselves to save time, they just pay someone to do it for them

I've mentioned before that a long time ago I used to work at the local airport refueling private and commercial aircraft, among other duties. It's always fascinated me that people are willing to spend the amount of money that they spend on private aircraft. On Notre Dame home football game weekends, it's common to see around 200 aircraft of varying size show up for the day.

Also, it's pretty common to see someone fly their child in for school in August, pick them up for Thanksgiving and Christmas, take them on spring break, and pick them up in May. That's 5 round trips minimum (but probably 1 more on spring break unless the plane sits for a week). Let's say they fly 2 hours each way. That's 4 hours per 5 round trips, or 20 hours total.

Let's look at a Gulfstream G650 (pretty common sighting, but probably an extreme example).

They cost a bit over $8000 per hour to operate. 20 times $8000 = $160,000 to transport your kid back and forth to college for 1 year.

4 years of that = $640,000.

Source:

The Costs to Own and Operate a Gulfstream G650

The costs to buy and operate a Gulfstream G650, including fixed costs and variable costs, and cost per hour.

www.sherpareport.com

Not to mention, it burns around 400 gallons per hour, so they consumed around 8000 gallons of fuel in those 20 hours.

One more item... a gently used G650 costs around $60M today.

I've got a mid 2000's Mercury Sable I'm selling for $1100.

 

[BnRidge]

Just got done driving across Montana. There are vast areas that resemble a whole lot like the surface of Mars. No need for a space suit, just a varmit rifle, 4x4, and a dog in the back. And I'm not a water type, so skip that.

 

[Sigarms]

I've got a mid 2000's Mercury Sable I'm selling for $1100.

The used F3080 mower I bought from John Thomas on this forum years ago actually cost me more any any vehicle I ever bought "new" in my entire life.

One thing my father did teach me is sometimes the reason why you have things is because you save and don't spend money foolishly so you actually have money.

That said, to be a billionaire, there is 1000 million dollars in a billion. Think about that. We're not talking 500 or 600 million, but a 1000 million.

Ironically enough, when Steve Fossett went missing, it was reported that the state of Nevada spent over 1 million dollars looking for him (not including California that spent their money looking for him as well). Ironically enough apparently his wife spent a million dollars looking for him as well and refused to pay.

Fossett’s widow refuses to pay

www.reviewjournal.com

So we have at least 2 billionaires on the sub ride that went down. You decide do do something that could potentially cost millions to find you doing something stupid, you should be on the hook for at least a portion of the bill IMO.

 

[MossRoad]

The used F3080 mower I bought from John Thomas on this forum years ago actually cost me more any any vehicle I ever bought "new" in my entire life.

One thing my father did teach me is sometimes the reason why you have things is because you save and don't spend money foolishly so you actually have money.

That said, to be a billionaire, there is 1000 million dollars in a billion. Think about that. We're not talking 500 or 600 million, but a 1000 million.

Ironically enough, when Steve Fossett went missing, it was reported that the state of Nevada spent over 1 million dollars looking for him (not including California that spent their money looking for him as well). Ironically enough apparently his wife spent a million dollars looking for him as well and refused to pay.

Fossett’s widow refuses to pay

www.reviewjournal.com

So we have at least 2 billionaires on the sub ride that went down. You decide do do something that could potentially cost millions to find you doing something stupid, you should be on the hook for at least a portion of the bill IMO.

Couldn't resist...

 

[JasperFrank]

Interesting that there was such a wide search area, when Ballard and Cameron, both stated, that the simultaneous loss of all telemetry meant the sub had imploded. And would be straight down from last contact. Exactly where the wreckage was found. And Cameron was furious with how the media framed the search as a rescue mission, giving false hope. The only bright light here, is that all the people on board would never have known anything, as the implosion atomized them in 3 mil-secs. Far faster than any sense can reach the brain. If forced in to a decision of a space flight or a deep dive, I'd pick the space flight.

 

[MossRoad]

Interesting that there was such a wide search area, when Ballard and Cameron, both stated, that the simultaneous loss of all telemetry meant the sub had imploded. And would be straight down from last contact. Exactly where the wreckage was found. And Cameron was furious with how the media framed the search as a rescue mission, giving false hope. The only bright light here, is that all the people on board would never have known anything, as the implosion atomized them in 3 mil-secs. Far faster than any sense can reach the brain. If forced in to a decision of a space flight or a deep dive, I'd pick the space flight.

Cameron said the 5 would have most likely known something was wrong before they perished.

 

[Dftodd]

Same here, when we were in St. Louis Missouri, I didn’t even go up in the arch, but the wife did, no way I’m riding in that little thing up to the arch.

The arch was pretty cool. I enjoyed it for the most part.

The downside was all the people visiting that refused to use deodorant and stunk of BO

 

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Interesting that there was such a wide search area, when Ballard and Cameron, both stated, that the simultaneous loss of all telemetry meant the sub had imploded. And would be straight down from last contact. Exactly where the wreckage was found. And Cameron was furious with how the media framed the search as a rescue mission, giving false hope. The only bright light here, is that all the people on board would never have known anything, as the implosion atomized them in 3 mil-secs. Far faster than any sense can reach the brain. If forced in to a decision of a space flight or a deep dive, I'd pick the space flight.

I would've said the same thing given the choice but
if I'm fated to die on one or the other it sounds more likely like deep dive will be the less painful death

It seems to me that it's possible that they may've noticed a leak very briefly before the implosion, that would be scary.

 

[ruffdog]

It seems to me that it's possible that they may've noticed a leak very briefly before the implosion, that would be scary.

That water leak would have been at 6000 psi so you wouldn't want it squirting bare skin.

 

[ning]

That water leak would have been at 6000 psi so you wouldn't want it squirting bare skin.

The water would be at 6000 psi, but just like the leak from my top link cylinder (2500psi) it can still just seep and occasionally drip and be barely noticeable.

 

[sea2summit]

The water would be at 6000 psi, but just like the leak from my top link cylinder (2500psi) it can still just seep and occasionally drip and be barely noticeable.

This isn't like a cracked valve, it's like a blown o-ring....and the difference between 2500 or even 3k and 5.8k is hugely significant. Given that the military detected the event from several hundred miles away I don't think it was a leak type event.

 

[Fixastuff]

This isn't like a cracked valve, it's like a blown o-ring....and the difference between 2500 or even 3k and 5.8k is hugely significant. Given that the military detected the event from several hundred miles away I don't think it was a leak type event.

If you've ever eaten taco bell you know there can be a leak before the explosion. Lol.

 

[sea2summit]

Random info but, 5k psi is the pressure of a 1 megaton nuke at approximately 750' from the point of detonation. When you consider a 1 megaton nuke has an effective blast radius of over 3 miles against buildings (with pressure/shockwave alone not the heat which is much farther) that gives you an idea of how much pressure that "sub" was under.

 

[Jstpssng]

They are not releasing hold of this Titan accident. One headline I just saw on my news feed read "What happens when your body implodes?"
I did not and will not click on it. Other sites are saying that the victims knew what was going on... they have NO way of knowing. Even if they did, so what? When somebody dies in an auto accident the family is often told they didn't suffer... it's small consolation but at least it's something they can hold onto. The media needs to STFU and let this go away.

 

[Sigarms]

They are not releasing hold of this Titan accident. One headline I just saw on my news feed read "What happens when your body implodes?"
I did not and will not click on it. Other sites are saying that the victims knew what was going on... they have NO way of knowing. Even if they did, so what? When somebody dies in an auto accident the family is often told they didn't suffer... it's small consolation but at least it's something they can hold onto. The media needs to STFU and let this go away.

News sells.

Here is the kicker, more money most likely on getting clicks vs actually going out and buying a real newspaper.

Sad but probably true.

And I agree 100% with your assessment of what on that sub actually knew.

Sad to say, dead is dead, BUT perhaps you can sell more "news".

 

[etpm]

They are not releasing hold of this Titan accident. One headline I just saw on my news feed read "What happens when your body implodes?"
I did not and will not click on it. Other sites are saying that the victims knew what was going on... they have NO way of knowing. Even if they did, so what? When somebody dies in an auto accident the family is often told they didn't suffer... it's small consolation but at least it's something they can hold onto. The media needs to STFU and let this go away.

If there was a small leak prior to to the implosion they might have had a warning. The warning would have been short. Less than a second. At the pressure the sub was subjected to any water that managed breach the hull would erode and start de-laminating the carbon fiber hull. And boy would it have been fast. And the hull would come apart and then implode. So I'm sure no pain was felt and I think there was probably not even a warning. I hope that parts of the sub are recovered, not the titanium parts so much but the carbon fiber composite hull parts. If any of the carbon fiber composite is recovered I bet it will show that any type of fiber composite hull is not a good choice for compression.
Eric