I love electric vehicles. But increasingly I feel duped

[Eagle1]

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[sd455dan]

Yes and what are the chances that the manufacture will have part available for today's EV car 10 years from now ?

Well just like there are wrecking yards for ICE there will be for electric vehicles. In 2023 Tesla will likely build over a million model Ys alone.

Here is an example for comparison , Have owned 7 Pontiac GTOs of different years. All told Pontiac produced just over 1/2 a million GTOs in the ENTIRE ten year run.
There will be Plenty of used spare parts at the auto dismantlers.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Well just like there are wrecking yards for ICE there will be for electric vehicles. In 2023 Tesla will likely build over a million model Ys alone.

Here is an example for comparison , Have owned 7 Pontiac GTOs of different years. All told Pontiac produced just over 1/2 a million GTOs in the ENTIRE ten year run.
There will be Plenty of used spare parts at the auto dismantlers.

I'm thinking the difference is around here (Virginia) the junk yards crush them after about 10 years old. Wife (Pontiac) & I (AMC) + couple Chevys spent many hours scrounging junk yards years ago...but now hard to find anything pre-2000s.
Back then all sorts of usable parts and lots of people worked on their own car/truck. I don't see that as much now. An EV junkyard I'm not sure what would be salvageable/reusable anyway. An EV was junked probably
because batteries are dead, bad drive motor(s), electronic problems.

 

[Richard001]

I'm thinking the difference is around here (Virginia) the junk yards crush them after about 10 years old. Wife (Pontiac) & I (AMC) + couple Chevys spent many hours scrounging junk yards years ago...but now hard to find anything pre-2000s.
Back then all sorts of usable parts and lots of people worked on their own car/truck. I don't see that as much now. An EV junkyard I'm not sure what would be salvageable/reusable anyway. An EV was junked probably
because batteries are dead, bad drive motor(s), electronic problems.

I'm not sure, but I think the reason for the older cars to be crushed is the EPA. They don't want people using the old pre-EPA smog engines in newer cars.

 

[Fixastuff]

I'm not sure, but I think the reason for the older cars to be crushed is the EPA. They don't want people using the old pre-EPA smog engines in newer cars.

I know a few scrapyard owners. They crush cars based on the price of scrap per/lb and the value of the parts/likely hood of people wanting them. EPA has zero to do with it.

 

[Eagle1]

I know a few scrapyard owners. They crush cars based on the price of scrap per/lb and the value of the parts/likely hood of people wanting them. EPA has zero to do with it.

Besides you can buy crate motors all day long and run them on what control system you want, from mild to wild.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

What I know since I was in consumer electronics before retiring is planned obsolescence. Years ago throwing a television or radio away was unheard of. Even drug stores had vacuum tube testers, people kept their TV working or called a repairman. Same with cars.
Now things are made disposable. How many people work on their late model anything? How many know how? Electric cars...Fuhgeddaboudit.

 

[3930dave]

Removing every wire and just installing what I needed has solved all my issues.

How does a company as big as Ford have common electrical issues with a vehicle that they sell millions of?

What happens if you have an Electric Vehicle and it doesn't work? Who fixes it? What does it cost to have it fixed? I've ready a few stories with crazy ten figure numbers for repairs.

1) Thoreau wouldn't have seen much electricity, but he would be nodding his head in agreement...

2) Same game as everybody else..... adding lots of bling, @ minimal cost. Anything electrical (all manuf) usually has the worst warranty, short of emissions gear..... Ford has messed up windshield wipers (new, break-thru tech !) on F150s enough in recent years to earn an NHTSA recall. (Not said as a Ford-hater, I have two on the road right now, I just know how this game plays.....)

3) Like Paystar said..... it's tough enough to find Techs to repair electrical problems on conventional ICE..... always been an issue, and it's going to get worse.

I'd been interested to know how Tesla specs out dealerships, for fire-suppression.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Yes and what are the chances that the manufacture will have part available for today's EV car 10 years from now ?

I suspect many consumers will just cycle through new ones @ at faster rate.... not that different than how cell phones are consumed today.....

That won't be me, but I can see that trend playing out.....

Rgds, D.

 

[two_bit_score]

I suspect many consumers will just cycle through new ones @ at faster rate.... not that different than how cell phones are consumed today.....

That won't be me, but I can see that trend playing out.....

Rgds, D.

What a disturbing trend to contemplate. The worst part is it's probably very accurate.

 

[3930dave]

What a disturbing trend to contemplate. The worst part is it's probably very accurate.

Believe me when I say..... I'd love to be wrong.

But, just like billions of iphone users do every year, they'll be Saving the Planet by buying new....

Or, whatever the Collective Conscience is being programmed for this week/day/hour/minute......

Rgds, D.

(Spoiler - It's not about Oil, Climate, yada yada..... step back a bit (not easily done) and take a Good Look at what is being done with All Forms of ENERGY. Then, ask yourself - Why ?).

 

[Eagle1]

(Spoiler - It's not about Oil, Climate, yada yada..... step back a bit (not easily done) and take a Good Look at what is being done with All Forms of ENERGY. Then, ask yourself - Why ?).

 

[two_bit_score]

(Spoiler - It's not about Oil, Climate, yada yada..... step back a bit (not easily done) and take a Good Look at what is being done with All Forms of ENERGY. Then, ask yourself - Why ?).

We know why and it’s not good.

 

[TN8Man]

Believe me when I say..... I'd love to be wrong.

But, just like billions of iphone users do every year, they'll be Saving the Planet by buying new....

Or, whatever the Collective Conscience is being programmed for this week/day/hour/minute......

Rgds, D.

(Spoiler - It's not about Oil, Climate, yada yada..... step back a bit (not easily done) and take a Good Look at what is being done with All Forms of ENERGY. Then, ask yourself - Why ?).

I ask myself "Why?" or "Who benefits from this" more and more often these days. It's part of the process to understand what's really happening.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

Most of the people creating these regulations have no clue how our country even works. I have seen some states demanding bans on small engines to go along with the fossil fuel vehicle bans. Imagine trying to clean up after a F4 tornado or a huge earth quake or massive hurricane all while using electric chain saws and battery powered dozers. It wont work. Bro... You are going to not have power for a week, just use your battery powered generator. I love progress. This is not progress. It seems like progress stopped sometime in the 80's. Now it just consumerism mixed with some type of special ed authoritarianism. What is even more terrifying is the lack of common sense and decline in intelligence. We are standing on the shoulders of giants and that is coming to an end. Our new leaders are semi retarded narcissists with no clue how anything works. I know 25 year old men who take their cars into a mechanic to have their tire pressure checked. 30 year olds living with their parents, and those same people will, no kidding try and tell you how to live and what is the best way forward for our country. The whole hard times strong men, good times weak men thing. Glad I'm old.

 

[3930dave]

Well-said Zark.....

..... though, "special ed authoritarianism" just about had me cleaning aerosol coffee spray off my laptop......

Rgds, D.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

This is exactly what I was meaning by progress. Could you imagine applying for that job?
Job requirements: 18th century seafaring, parrot, peg leg. Those predisposed to scurvy or rickets will not be considered.

 

[bnold]

Electric cars are cheaper to drive????? Just what is being used
to produce all the electricity that is needed for these electric cars/
Nobody is talking about that aspect of running an electric car!

willy

Plenty discuss it.

For me it is mostly solar/NG, followed wind, then coal/lignite, then nuclear and lastly hydro.

All far more efficiently used fuel than a tiny ICE.

 

[bnold]

Tesla has a 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

I'm pretty sure most people will hit the 8 years long before the 150,000 miles because of limited distance per charge capability. Tesla can loose 30% retention of battery capacity over the 8 years ... that's a significant loss of capability.

With the replacement cost of the Tesla battery being well over $100,000 I would think most people would opt not to replace the battery which makes the Tesla life-span starting at 8 years.

My 2022 model has the 7yr, 120k mi warranty.

I’m at 7% loss at 61,500miles and that has basically flat lined. Purchased mid December 2021, so I’m around the 18 month mark as my commute is a bit over 200 miles round trip. Significantly longer than the average American commute.

Where is your $100k replacement battery?
Misinformation station…

 

[Deleted member 371759]

My 2022 model has the 7yr, 120k mi warranty.

I’m at 7% loss at 61,500miles and that has basically flat lined. Purchased mid December 2021, so I’m around the 18 month mark as my commute is a bit over 200 miles round trip. Significantly longer than the average American commute.

Where is your $100k replacement battery?
Misinformation station…

I'm glad your battery car is working for you. There are plenty of people that they do work great for. For others they are useless.