Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[lman]

Attached is info regarding the country's largest solar project under construction south of where I'm at.

Mammoth Solar | Doral Renewables

gegrenewables.com

‘It’s got nasty’: the battle to build the US’s biggest solar power farm

A community turns on itself over the aptly named Mammoth solar project, a planned $1.5bn power field nearly the size of Manhattan

www.theguardian.com

 

[TN8Man]

Attached is info regarding the country's largest solar project under construction south of where I'm at.

Mammoth Solar | Doral Renewables

gegrenewables.com

‘It’s got nasty’: the battle to build the US’s biggest solar power farm

A community turns on itself over the aptly named Mammoth solar project, a planned $1.5bn power field nearly the size of Manhattan

www.theguardian.com

From the "Its got nasty" article: "“This is no longer really about the solar applications; it’s more about driving the community apart”

Isn't interesting that this politically partisan "green energy" agenda is dividing communities where green energy projects are built.

My question is why are we shutting down our traditional proven and reliable energy infrastructure and replacing it with a inferior technology that can't provide adequate energy to run our nation?

We can't even afford this transition as its driving our economy into the ground.

Who is making all this big money from the "green agenda"? China? Politicians?

How is this impacting our national security?

 

[LouNY]

I've mentioned before that an 1100 acre solar farm is going in west of us. It's on some great farmland. With that said, here's some pros for this solar farm:

- the families that own the land are leasing it to a solar company, so the farmers are retaining the ownership of THEIR land.
- That land usually brings in about $80K in taxes annually.
- The solar farm will bring in $2.7M in taxes annually at first, and will bring in $30million over 30 years. So $2.4 million AG over 30 years VS $30 million SOLAR over 30 years in taxes.
- The land will be idle during that 30 year term, so it will rebuild VS being worked.
- No chemical applications.
- No fertilizer applications.
- No water usage (it's currently irrigated with center pivot).
- It will be planted with native grasses and pollinator crops under the panels, so it will be used for honey production.
- Sheep are another possibility under the panels.
- The plants will stabilize the soil, so no wind or rain or erosion.
- There will be 200 construction jobs.
- There will be 3-5 permanent jobs created.
- There will be an educational opportunity for local schools, K through College.
- It won't require any new public support, as no roads, water, sewer, or extra police or fire services will be needed.
- There will be an educational opportunity for local schools, K through College.
- After 30 years, the panels can be removed or replaced. If they are removed, the land will be well-rested, and can go back in to crop production. If they are replaced, the process starts over again, more than likely with better solar panels than before.
Anyhow, just some interesting reading. The families that own the land are the ones driving the bus, using THEIR LAND for THEIR BUSINESS.

Honeysuckle solar project in Indiana | Lightsource bp USA

Learn more about Lightsource bp's Honeysuckle Solar farm project in St. Joseph County, Indiana, which will generate affordable, clean energy.

lightsourcebp.com

I'll agree with most of the listed items.
However not these;
- The land will be idle during that 30 year term, so it will rebuild VS being worked. not much
- No chemical applications. I'd be surprised
The plants will stabilize the soil, so no wind or rain or erosion. wait and see
- There will be an educational opportunity for local schools, K through College. bull, smoke and mirrors
- After 30 years, the panels can be removed or replaced. If they are removed, the land will be well-rested, and can go back in to crop production. If they are replaced, the process starts over again, more than likely with better solar panels than before.
The removal process is going to be very disruptive if done, I have to wonder about the possibilities that it will fail to be done unless the panels are being replaced with housing. With the rapid turnover of companies "owning" the panels and leases I expect that much of the guaranties will be absolutely worthless.

 

[turbo36]

View attachment 794333

Yep, this one picture alone proves that solar energy won't work! However, the truth is the snow will melt quickly, and some systems are starting to incorporate heating elements so your picture is pretty much invalid.

Let it Snow: How Solar Panels Can Thrive in Winter Weather

Winter is here and many parts of the country have already seen snow. Although at first blush it may seem that solar power is ideal for the summer, solar panels actually produce useful power throughout all four seasons — including when they're covered...

www.energy.gov

 

[turbo36]

I've mentioned before that an 1100 acre solar farm is going in west of us. It's on some great farmland. With that said, here's some pros for this solar farm:

- the families that own the land are leasing it to a solar company, so the farmers are retaining the ownership of THEIR land.
- That land usually brings in about $80K in taxes annually.
- The solar farm will bring in $2.7M in taxes annually at first, and will bring in $30million over 30 years. So $2.4 million AG over 30 years VS $30 million SOLAR over 30 years in taxes.
- The land will be idle during that 30 year term, so it will rebuild VS being worked.
- No chemical applications.
- No fertilizer applications.
- No water usage (it's currently irrigated with center pivot).
- It will be planted with native grasses and pollinator crops under the panels, so it will be used for honey production.
- Sheep are another possibility under the panels.
- The plants will stabilize the soil, so no wind or rain or erosion.
- There will be 200 construction jobs.
- There will be 3-5 permanent jobs created.
- There will be an educational opportunity for local schools, K through College.
- It won't require any new public support, as no roads, water, sewer, or extra police or fire services will be needed.
- After 30 years, the panels can be removed or replaced. If they are removed, the land will be well-rested, and can go back in to crop production. If they are replaced, the process starts over again, more than likely with better solar panels than before.

Anyhow, just some interesting reading. The families that own the land are the ones driving the bus, using THEIR LAND for THEIR BUSINESS.

Honeysuckle solar project in Indiana | Lightsource bp USA

Learn more about Lightsource bp's Honeysuckle Solar farm project in St. Joseph County, Indiana, which will generate affordable, clean energy.

lightsourcebp.com

Moss, good post.
Solar panels are just something new that will take a while for people to get used to them, kind of like when you move from the farm to the city, everything grabs your attention and your head spins around like the girl in the Exorcist movie.

I drive out west to Utah and Colorado a lot and there are a lot of wind farms on that route. At first, windmills were a bit disruptive, because I had't seen lot of windmills in my life. But after a while I got used to them, and in fact I actually started looking forward to the next batch of them. At night all the blinking red lights are really something to see, especially in the fog.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Yep, this one picture alone proves that solar energy won't work! However, the truth is the snow will melt quickly, and some systems are starting to incorporate heating elements so your picture is pretty much invalid.

Let it Snow: How Solar Panels Can Thrive in Winter Weather

Winter is here and many parts of the country have already seen snow. Although at first blush it may seem that solar power is ideal for the summer, solar panels actually produce useful power throughout all four seasons — including when they're covered...

www.energy.gov

yeah lets use power so you can make power make sense ...usually these heat trace grid are pretty spars from one to the other so it can take a while if its pretty cold and thick snow plus lots of existing one are not equipped with them. So it is still a reality and the reality is there for anywhere from 3 to 7 days a winter ... that means you are not getting the power during these days so you can't depend on that power during these days plus the days it is overcast ... so it is valid regardless

 

[turbo36]

yeah lets use power so you can make power make sense ...usually these heat trace grid are pretty spars from one to the other so it can take a while if its pretty cold and thick snow plus lots of existing one are not equipped with them. So it is still a reality and the reality is there for anywhere from 3 to 7 days a winter ... that means you are not getting the power during these days so you can't depend on that power during these days plus the days it is overcast ... so it is valid regardless

If we didn't use power to make power, there wouldn't be any power generation in the world! How much power does it take to mine coal? How much power does it take to cool the generation plants either coal or nuclear? And then how about all the power that is used in the transportation of the components that are needed for power generation? You made a non-serious statement that makes the rest of your argument seem less valid.

 

[dodge man]

I don’t know this for a fact but I‘m pretty sure it true but when a wind farm near here built it generated quite a bit of property tax for a small school district. The state cut back its contribution so they didn’t really come out ahead.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

I don’t know this for a fact but I‘m pretty sure it true but when a wind farm near here built it generated quite a bit of property tax for a small school district. The state cut back its contribution so they didn’t really come out ahead.

It's possible. While living in CT, when they were proposing the lottery, casinos, scratchers etc. they claimed the majority of the money would go to education. It pretty much went into the general fund, where some did go to education, but no more than they had done previously. just gave the state more funds to spend on what they wanted.

 

[MossRoad]

How are the getting the power into the "system" will new lines and a substation have to be built?

That's the biggest issue we face here. The integration points for the farms traverse other people properties and well....120 foot tandem towers are not pretty sitting a few hundred feet from a house.

There are existing transmission lines and sub station in the area. I'd much rather see solar farms down low than wind farms that forever alter the horizon.