Diabetes

[ArlyA]

Found at Is Keto Bad for Your Heart?
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Medically reviewed by Yasmine S. Ali, MD, MSCI

Table of Contents

• What Is Ketosis?
• Benefits
• Keto Diet
• Considerations
• Frequently Asked Questions

The ketogenic, or “keto,” diet is a diet in which energy is obtained primarily from fat, while protein and carbohydrates are limited. The lack of carbohydrates causes the body to go into a state of ketosis, in which energy is derived from the breakdown of fat.

Despite some promising benefits, there are concerns that such high fat intake is not heart healthy. Specifically, fat derived from processed foods and animal products contribute to high cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart attack.

This article discusses the facts and risks of the keto diet.

The keto diet dates back to the 1920s when it was used for treatment of seizure disorder in children. It was also found to be useful in controlling blood sugar in people with diabetes.1

Emphasis of dietary guidelines in the past several decades has been on a low-fat diet, but the continued rise of obesity and diabetes has renewed interest in the keto diet for its role in weight loss and blood sugar management.2

 

[NorTracNY]

This article also is a good overview. It's well written as it points out that some studies are too small, others only are short term, and it notes that genetics appear to certainly play a part. It doesn't make any hard conclusions where they shouldn't be made.

What Happens to Your Cholesterol When You Go on a Keto Diet?

Even if you’re at risk for cardiovascular disease, you still may be a candidate for keto. Check out this overview on the potential benefits and risks, and then go check with your doctor before trying the popular diet.

www.everydayhealth.com

 

[txdon]

Found at Is Keto Bad for Your Heart?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medically reviewed by Yasmine S. Ali, MD, MSCI

Table of Contents

• What Is Ketosis?
• Benefits
• Keto Diet
• Considerations
• Frequently Asked Questions

The ketogenic, or “keto,” diet is a diet in which energy is obtained primarily from fat, while protein and carbohydrates are limited. The lack of carbohydrates causes the body to go into a state of ketosis, in which energy is derived from the breakdown of fat.

Despite some promising benefits, there are concerns that such high fat intake is not heart healthy. Specifically, fat derived from processed foods and animal products contribute to high cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart attack.

This article discusses the facts and risks of the keto diet.

The keto diet dates back to the 1920s when it was used for treatment of seizure disorder in children. It was also found to be useful in controlling blood sugar in people with diabetes.1

Emphasis of dietary guidelines in the past several decades has been on a low-fat diet, but the continued rise of obesity and diabetes has renewed interest in the keto diet for its role in weight loss and blood sugar management.2

Thanks, From your link:
...However, there are concerns of negative effects on heart health with the ketogenic diet.

Many studies have shown the association of keto diets with increased LDL (bad cholesterol), but this finding is not consistent in all studies. Keto diets that are high in saturated and trans fats seem to be responsible for the increased LDL levels.1

Another study showed higher incidence of atrial fibrillation in people on carbohydrate-restricted diets.

The keto diet has also been associated with increased mortality. This effect was especially true when animal-based fats were substituted for carbohydrates. Substituting plant-based fats for carbohydrates, on the other hand, improved mortality.6

To minimize this risk of heart disease while on a ketogenic diet, it is prudent to minimize processed foods high in saturated and trans fats, and instead choose plant-based foods with higher unsaturated fat content.

Also:

Preparing to Prescribe Plant-Based Diets for Diabetes Prevention and Treatment

The number of people worldwide with type 2 diabetes is expected to double by 2030.1 In the United States, diabetes affects ~ 26 million people of all ages, abou

diabetesjournals.org

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Found at Is Keto Bad for Your Heart?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medically reviewed by Yasmine S. Ali, MD, MSCI

Table of Contents

• What Is Ketosis?
• Benefits
• Keto Diet
• Considerations
• Frequently Asked Questions

The ketogenic, or “keto,” diet is a diet in which energy is obtained primarily from fat, while protein and carbohydrates are limited. The lack of carbohydrates causes the body to go into a state of ketosis, in which energy is derived from the breakdown of fat.

Despite some promising benefits, there are concerns that such high fat intake is not heart healthy. Specifically, fat derived from processed foods and animal products contribute to high cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart attack.

This article discusses the facts and risks of the keto diet.

The keto diet dates back to the 1920s when it was used for treatment of seizure disorder in children. It was also found to be useful in controlling blood sugar in people with diabetes.1

Emphasis of dietary guidelines in the past several decades has been on a low-fat diet, but the continued rise of obesity and diabetes has renewed interest in the keto diet for its role in weight loss and blood sugar management.2

Concerns?

Since there is no data, "concerns" equals presuppositions that themselves are not derived from data but were culturally and perhaps formerly taught that fat is bad.

A high-fat diet derives from the first study done in the late nineteenth century (it's been well over a decade since I read a book that both referenced and detailed the study which admittedly was one physician and one obese man who became thin). The study was reinforced by further studies done in the twenties and thirties in Germany but since they were Nazis, Godwin's Law of Arguments was culturally applied and everybody completely ignored their findings.

Weight loss-wise, a high-fat diet forces the liver to take more time breaking down fats into sugars, thereby limiting blood sugar levels instead of spiking them as carbs do. As a weight loss strategy, a restrictive high-fat diet with intermediate fasting turns us into the Polar Bear or whale that doesn't eat for two or three months. All mammals (we are mammals) are capable of living off of our fat reserves. All hibernating animals live off of their fat reserves and going into ketosis is exactly that. I've yet to meet a person on a high-fat diet whose lipid numbers didn't become healthier and healthier after doing it long term after an initial spike when they first began from the liver trying to burn anything easier than breaking down fat to sugars to fuel the body.

FWIW, there are several very good groups on Facebook (FB) where an army of very long-term high-fat diet (called the way of eating or WOE for short) folks teach others how to reverse their diabetes. The Reversing Diabetes Group on FB is where I suggest people start and there in the Group downloading the Reverse Diabetes Toolkit is the first step.

 

[txdon]

Concerns?

FWIW, there are several very good groups on Facebook (FB) where an army of very long-term high-fat diet (called the way of eating or WOE for short) folks teach others how to reverse their diabetes. The Reversing Diabetes Group on FB is where I suggest people start and there in the Group downloading the Reverse Diabetes Toolkit is the first step.

I don't do Facebook, I look at studies. Preferably long term.

 

[scootr]

No FB for me either but I just ate black olives and avocado in my chicken salad with lettuce, shredded carrots, and shredded cabbage. That's good lunch for you fellow diabetics but it's all gone now

 

[ArlyA]

Here is a great video from Dr Hansen about keto that's quite good. He does not po-po it per say but does adds some good additions to the theory.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I don't do Facebook, I look at studies. Preferably long term.

So does everybody else, but since we don't have public houses anymore, places like Facebook Groups make for meaningful areas where people can gather and exchange information and ideas can be shared and rationally discussed.

 

[TYM 474 Owner]

It's the carbs! Cut down your carbohydrate intake and your blood sugar will improve. This is something you can do easily by checking your blood sugar at 1 and 2 hours after a meal. If your blood sugar does not spike a food is ok to eat. If it spikes leave it alone. I dare to say most type 2 diabetics could cut their medications dramatically if they followed a low carbohydrate diet. I do not mean KETO just low carbohydrate intake. Beat Diabetes YouTube channel demonstrates this quite consistently. The data is also starting to lean towards time in range over gauging how well someone's blood sugar is doing by quarterly A1C values. A goal to aim for is keeping your blood sugar greater than 70% of the day between 70-180 trying to minimize time each day above 180. It doesn't hurt either to lose those extra lbs.

If you can afford it and/or your insurance will cover it, a continuous glucose monitor IE Freestyle Libre or Dexcom is a game changer when managing your diabetes.

 

[Bocephous]

Any doctor that refers to such things as "bad cholesterol" or "good cholesterol" doesn't know much about cholesterol.

 

[jigs_n_fixtures]

Counting Carbs: Take the total carbs. Subtract the fiber, and you get “Net Carbs”. Add, the total sugar, and then add the “added sugar”.

For example, the bread i found at my sisters house: 20-g per slice, 2-g of fiber, 3-g of sugar, 3-g of which is added sugar. 20-2=18. 18+3=21. Plus 3 for he added sugar, so 21+3=24. Then divide the 24 by the 20. And, the reactivity is 1.2. so moderately reactive. It will cause a moderately fast reaction, which will be spikey going up and down fairly fast.

The cookies at my sisters house: 4-cookies, 19-g of carbs, 1-g of fiber, 8-g of sugar, including 8-g of added sugar. So 19-1=18, 18+8=26, 26+8=34. And 34 divided by 19 = 1.78. So fairly hard reaction blood sugar will go up and back down quickly with no lag time.

The “Cookies” I bought: 22-g of carbs, 12-g of fiber, 1-g sugar, and no added sugar. 22-12=10, 10+1 =11, and 11 divided by 22 = 0.5. So, they are very slow reacting. They will cause a slow rise in blood sugar with a long plateau time, and a slow drop at the end..

 

[Bocephous]

Okay, those people are killing diabetics, txdon.

Eating fat doesn't cause one to become fat, eating carbs with anything else is what spikes insulin and packs on the fat.

Fat takes our bodies the longest to process and turn into sugars. As Md. Fuhrman stated in his The End of Diabetes, while surveying different diets:

"There is no evidence to suggest that a diet of equal calories that is extremely low in fat is an advantage for prevention or treatment of heart disease or any other disease. Studies that compare dietary fat percentages suggest that it is not the fat level, but other more critical qualities, that make the diet more of less beneficial" (emphasis, his, p. 109).

Fuhrman continues, writing: "I want to be clear that the benefits of a vegetarian or vegetable-based diet are not the result of low-fat intake. ...unlike the people advocating plant-based diets, I recommend more vegetables, fruits, beans, nuts, and seeds and less bread, potato, and rice. The daily addition of one or two ounces of nuts and seeds, which average about 175 calories an ounce, can bring up to 15 to 30 percent of calories from fat. This is important..." (ibidem, p. 109).


There are so many good resources on this subject on the internet now. For example, pick this video up at 3:53.

Whoever that lady is on that video nails it. I posed a question (I already knew the answer) to a nurse at work (I work in a Federal prison) who had just given a diabetic inmate whose blood sugar was low a high carb snack. I asked her what would happen to that inmate if you eliminated the majority of carbs from that inmates food intake and at the same time reduced or eliminated the inmates shot of insulin. She said, "Well, he would't be diabetic anymore." Our nations medical profession is (purposefully, imo) so behind the curve when it comes to knowledge on curing disease instead of slapping multiple band-aids on it to keep the pharmi-giants fat and happy.

 

[scootr]

A big problem has always been the medical assoc. being in bed with the pharmaceutical industry.
The AMA declares Diabetes progressive and irreversible. They get lifetime patients and the pharma industry gets lifetime customers. Big $$$$ for both.
They tell you to stop eating like an fool and you are cured. No more $$$

Id be willing to bet diabetes is a 1st world problem.

 

[scootr]

Why is diabetes so common in the world?


More than 95% of people with diabetes have type 2 diabetes. This type of diabetes is largely the result of excess body weight and physical inactivity.Sep 16, 2022

Which is caused by grocery stores. Without grocery stores or markets we would all be out beating the bushes for something low fat to eat

 

[daugen]

Why is diabetes so common in the world?


More than 95% of people with diabetes have type 2 diabetes. This type of diabetes is largely the result of excess body weight and physical inactivity.Sep 16, 2022

Which is caused by grocery stores. Without grocery stores or markets we would all be out beating the bushes for something low fat to eat

rabbit would be ok, deer for sure, might pass on squirrel

 

[ArlyA]

Not getting into those magical mystery GF diets, here are some basic diabetes pointers.

If you are overweight you will get, or will not control your type I* or II.

If you eat poorly or keep on too much extra weight, it will come back to haunt you with complications or with type II.*

Humans are opportunists, omnivores so eating all of just one thing, might not be the best. Eat lots of different things with grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables at the top. This ain't rocket science, we are omnivores.

Move around. If we sit at the keyboard talking about how X,Y, or Z diet is the cure for the world, maybe we should have been out for that walk, ride or whatever you can do to burn some calories. People who do something for activity have healthier hearts, lower weights and less medical greif. And for this discussion can get away with using less insulin. In the case of type II, become more sensitive to it. We all want to be using less insulin while keeping that A1C low.

* leaving genetics out at this time.

 

[NorTracNY]

rabbit would be ok, deer for sure, might pass on squirrel

Careful! Too much rabbit and you'll die from their lack of fat. I remember that from a survival guide. Fat is essential to for the body.

 

[txdon]

Careful! Too much rabbit and you'll die from their lack of fat. I remember that from a survival guide. Fat is essential to for the body.

All plants have fat. Even lettuce.
Interesting that wild rabbit meat has twice the cholesterol as domesticated rabbit meat.

 

[NorTracNY]

All plants have fat. Even lettuce.
Interesting that wild rabbit meat has twice the cholesterol as domesticated rabbit meat.

Yes, the driest desert also has moisture in the air. Other than soybeans, corn, and kidney beans the amount of fat is pretty insignificant. Nuts and seeds are where you're going to find the fat if you're not eating meat. A few more tropical fruits also are good. The survival guide was pointing out that even if rabbit is readily available, you better find something else if it's a long term situation.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

A neighbor was eating wild rabbits until I told him wife & I live trapped them, removed botfly larvae and released them.