New Holland Boomer 37 in DPF Shutdown Mode

[tacticalturnip]

This whole scenario is nightmare fuel.

 

[Lt. El Diablo]

I bought my 2015 New Holland Boomer 37 new.
Didn't know it when I bought it that it automatically goes in Regeneration mode every four hours of operation.
The manual says to stop operating the tractor until regeneration is complete. This takes 1/2 hour. It is a real inconvenience.
Nowhere in my owners manual does it say you have to run it at full throttle during regeneration. At about 750 hours July 2021, the regenerations started happening every three hours of operation. Then, all of a sudden, the machine went into DPF engine shutdown mode. Would not rev higher than 1500 RPM and would shut down after 30 seconds. The 30 seconds is so you can move the tractor off the road as necessary. According to the manual, DPF engine shutdown mode happens when the soot level inside the cannister exceeds 140%. After a $600 tow fee to the dealership, computer diagnostics and a forced regeneration, the tractor was running again. It turns out, the cannister did not really have a heavy soot load. Cause of shutdown was not clearly understood, but dealer told me to always run the tractor at full throttle during regeneration, so I have been doing that ever since.
January, 2023 @ 950+- hours. regens started every 3 hours again, then tractor went into shutdown mode again, while plowing snow. Finished plowing at 30 second intervals, between shutdowns. It starts every time, runs at low RPM for 30 seconds, then shuts down.
Service truck will come when they can, but I am without a machine right now. Anyone else had this problem ? I know there are DPF DELETE programs available, but I would rather get to the origin of the problem first. Thanks. Kevin

I have a similar issue with a 2019 Kioti dk5510. Many Kioti owners reporting this issue. My problems started at about 70 hours with what we eventually found out at 460 hours was a leaky turbo. It is a wonderful tractor to work with, however the problems created by tier 4 have ruined it.

 

[Kevin Kelly]

Thank you, Lt.

 

[FERLING]

I'm having the same issue on a 2019 Workmaster 50. How can I force a regen? or what needs to be cleaned?

New FPT engine: Tier 4 Final compliant; higher torque rise

Inside, the WORKMASTER 50, 60 and 70 models are powered by new FPT Tier 4 Final emissions-compliant, three-cylinder turbo-charged engines.

To meet tough Tier 4 Final emissions standards, the New Holland emissions treatment system uses a combination of internal exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) to control nitrogen oxides (NOx) and a particulate matter (PM) catalyst. Unlike other tractors that require extra fluids, or that use a diesel particulate filter (DPF) that must be “regenerated,” the New Holland system is completely automatic, with no need to stop working while the tractor regenerates.

The new engines also produce more torque for increased performance. Compared to the Tier 3 engines in previous models, the new WORKMASTER tractors benefit from greater torque rise—up to 28% on the WORKMASTER 70—for more responsive power in tough conditions under load, like mowing in tall grass with a rotary cutter or digging into a packed pile of material with a front-end loader.

New Holland WORKMASTER tractors include new styling and Tier 4 Final engines

 

[Kevin Kelly]

I bought my 2015 New Holland Boomer 37 new.
Didn't know it when I bought it that it automatically goes in Regeneration mode every four hours of operation.
The manual says to stop operating the tractor until regeneration is complete. This takes 1/2 hour. It is a real inconvenience.
Nowhere in my owners manual does it say you have to run it at full throttle during regeneration. At about 750 hours July 2021, the regenerations started happening every three hours of operation. Then, all of a sudden, the machine went into DPF engine shutdown mode. Would not rev higher than 1500 RPM and would shut down after 30 seconds. The 30 seconds is so you can move the tractor off the road as necessary. According to the manual, DPF engine shutdown mode happens when the soot level inside the cannister exceeds 140%. After a $600 tow fee to the dealership, computer diagnostics and a forced regeneration, the tractor was running again. It turns out, the cannister did not really have a heavy soot load. Cause of shutdown was not clearly understood, but dealer told me to always run the tractor at full throttle during regeneration, so I have been doing that ever since.
January, 2023 @ 950+- hours. regens started every 3 hours again, then tractor went into shutdown mode again, while plowing snow. Finished plowing at 30 second intervals, between shutdowns. It starts every time, runs at low RPM for 30 seconds, then shuts down.
Service truck will come when they can, but I am without a machine right now. Anyone else had this problem ? I know there are DPF DELETE programs available, but I would rather get to the origin of the problem first. Thanks. Kevin

I have another question: This tractor will not start in cold weather anymore. When it was newer, I had no problem. Now, I have to run a heater on the engine to warm it up for starting in winter. I used starting ether a couple of times and that worked on the cold engine.
1. Is this a glow plug issue?
2. Will starting ether damage the engine or emissions system? Thanks

 

[gene21]

I just deleted the system on my 2015 LS xg3032. our two tractors are practically identical. To remove the system all you have to do is run power from the ignition to the solenoid. Unplug the other plugs which go to the solenoid. The solenoid plug that you run power to is two wires - make one go to ground, the other goes to the ignition(hot). In addition to this you remove the DPF filter, and knock out what is remaining behind it. The only other thing you have to do is run a throttle cable from the hand throttle to the lever on the injection pump.

Good luck putting it in the shop for repairs if you go that route. I put mine in the shop and paid $4,700, waited 1 1/2 years, got it back just for it to go into limp mode again very soon after. I ended up taking it to a local retired tractor mechanic and we had that thing running in 30 minutes just by removing the solenoid as a first test. The only reason you need to run power to the solenoid is so the ignition can shut the tractor off.



Private message me if you have any questions or would like some pictures for reference.

Jrasband how is your ls performing now that you deleted it can I do my boomer 33 the same way? Thanks gene

 

[gene21]

Jrasband how is your tractor performing now that you deleted it can I do it to my boomer 33 the same way? Thanks gene

 

[Jrasband]

I have gone through four tanks of fuel it is running great! Seems to have a good bit more power too without the restriction of the DPF filter. There is a beeper in the ignition which goes off when it is in gear via the neutral safety switch. This can be fixed by rewiring the neutral safety switch to the ignition, or eliminating the switch. It is getting annoying, anytime the rpm is lower than 2,000 you can hear it. Also the neutral safety switch is very sensitive so it often beeps in neutral too lol.

Overall a huge success and pretty easy to do, it is so nice to finally have this tractor back in action.

gene21 your tractor would be the same procedure.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

I find that high rpm counter productive. It's a diesel, not a gasser. Diesels are built for lower rpm. The gummit is always right, right?

I operate mine always above 2200 RPM, which would be low for a gasser. With an HST machine, the engine is driving a pump, not a gearbox and I operate it like I would any other hydraulicly driven machine. (Think skid-steer or mini) My New Holland regens about every 25 to 30 hours and it is approaching 300 hours on the machine. My PTO speed is at about 2500 RPM and it is designed to operate there all day long. Fuel economy wise, the New Holland burns twice as much fuel as my other tractor though, at about 1 gallon per hour. It's not really all that surprising since it's twice the weight and twice the horsepower.

 

[Jrasband]

I find that high rpm counter productive. It's a diesel, not a gasser. Diesels are built for lower rpm. The gummit is always right, right?

Maybe some diesels, I have found that my Shibaura 1.5L turbo performs best when at full throttle 2,500 rpm. I found tat to be the case with a few other newer model tractors as well..

 

[gene21]

I have gone through four tanks of fuel it is running great! Seems to have a good bit more power too without the restriction of the DPF filter. There is a beeper in the ignition which goes off when it is in gear via the neutral safety switch. This can be fixed by rewiring the neutral safety switch to the ignition, or eliminating the switch. It is getting annoying, anytime the rpm is lower than 2,000 you can hear it. Also the neutral safety switch is very sensitive so it often beeps in neutral too lol.

Overall a huge success and pretty easy to do, it is so nice to finally have this tractor back in action.

gene21 your tractor would be the same procedure.

Thanks I'm really considering it because mine doesn't always like to regen sometimes I have to try 4 or 5 times to get it to regen and it seems to regen better when it's warm out or in the garage

 

[Eagle1]

Regen requires HEAT, I just bump it to almost full throttle when it wants to regen and keep on working until it's done. Once I figured that out it has behaved much better.

 

[Erbid]

When I bought mine I ended up getting a tiny tractor to avoid the mess. Under 25hp was exempt. I'm glad there is a work-around. Seems the EPA manages too many manufacturers, where is their competition?

 

[oldestgoat]

I've done a bit of research on this topic. Concerned about my LS xr4150 (boomer 50) This is an EFI tractor. Not so easy to circumvent the DPF filter. From what I understand, one can just punch or bore a few holes through the filter so the sensors never detect a clogged system. I assume one would want to approximate the general size of the exhaust bore.

 

[Kevin Kelly]

I bought my 2015 New Holland Boomer 37 new.
Didn't know it when I bought it that it automatically goes in Regeneration mode every four hours of operation.
The manual says to stop operating the tractor until regeneration is complete. This takes 1/2 hour. It is a real inconvenience.
Nowhere in my owners manual does it say you have to run it at full throttle during regeneration. At about 750 hours July 2021, the regenerations started happening every three hours of operation. Then, all of a sudden, the machine went into DPF engine shutdown mode. Would not rev higher than 1500 RPM and would shut down after 30 seconds. The 30 seconds is so you can move the tractor off the road as necessary. According to the manual, DPF engine shutdown mode happens when the soot level inside the cannister exceeds 140%. After a $600 tow fee to the dealership, computer diagnostics and a forced regeneration, the tractor was running again. It turns out, the cannister did not really have a heavy soot load. Cause of shutdown was not clearly understood, but dealer told me to always run the tractor at full throttle during regeneration, so I have been doing that ever since.
January, 2023 @ 950+- hours. regens started every 3 hours again, then tractor went into shutdown mode again, while plowing snow. Finished plowing at 30 second intervals, between shutdowns. It starts every time, runs at low RPM for 30 seconds, then shuts down.
Service truck will come when they can, but I am without a machine right now. Anyone else had this problem ? I know there are DPF DELETE programs available, but I would rather get to the origin of the problem first. Thanks. Kevin

I just got a call from the NH Dealer. He said the DPF filter is plugged solid with soot. When they removed it, the tractor started right up and runs fine. They are sending the DPF filter out to be cleaned. If it cannot be cleaned, a new one will cost "several thousand." I looked on the internet and saw a price of $3,800.00.
I try to keep my tractor revving all the time to avoid soot buildup. Not sure what else I can do to prevent this from happening again. I still like this machine. It serves me very well.

 

[thclimer]

Sorry to hear your filter is plugged again!

When you say "I try to keep my tractor revving all the time to avoid soot buildup" what rpm do you try to keep it at when your using it?

 

[Eagle1]

I'd "fix" the old filter to try before I spend 4K on a replacement. What is the down side?

 

[thclimer]

I'd "fix" the old filter to try before I spend 4K on a replacement. What is the down side?

I can certainly understand that when they asking that much.

I wonder how closely you have to mimic the resistance of the filter and if there is differential pressure sensor across it, is there a range where it needs to be happy?

 

[Kevin Kelly]

Sorry to hear your filter is plugged again!

When you say "I try to keep my tractor revving all the time to avoid soot buildup" what rpm do you try to keep it at when your using it?

usually where the governor limits it from going any higher.... 2300-2500 RPM.

 

[Kevin Kelly]

I can certainly understand that when they asking that much.

I wonder how closely you have to mimic the resistance of the filter and if there is differential pressure sensor across it, is there a range where it needs to be happy?

I certainly need to ask the dealer a lot of questions when the tractor is ready to come home. Running at full throttle all the time doesn't seem right.