Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds

[dodge man]

Another Illinois story where they setup portable scales. He was hauling a backhoe with a trailer pulled by a grain truck with ag plates. Everything was good except he admitted he was hauling it to someone else’s farm. He got penalized for not telling a lie. I can’t remember how much the ticket was but several hundred dollars and then he had to switch to the more expensive plates.

 

[stumblinhorse]

Ok in Colorado, I have called every testing place within 100 Miles of me. No one will do a class A driving Test. I wonder if I can get some government agency to give me a letter that the fact that pretty much 100% of all 1 ton trucks with trailers will require a CDL, they can’t support that.

Edit: was able to talk to someone that only gives class b and c. He indicated that all classes of CDL require a 4 week training class now. There is just no way…

 

[stumblinhorse]

Wonder if there is anywhere to do a 4-week training class where they just use pickups and 14k trailers.

Cause pretty much everything they are gonna cover in a 4-week class about semi's is gonna be worthless for someone who wants to drag a 14k trailer with skidloader behind a 1-ton puckup....

These laws and regulations are just laughable. The gap between a pickup and trailer and a semi is HUGE yet some dumb@$$ in the govt things they should require the same licensing???

All the trainers and testers told me to check my specs again because I was wrong about it being over 26001. There is just huge miss here. Min training cost is $3750. 160 hours in class learning semis and air brakes and fifth wheel to go get a CDL restricted to no air brakes, no fifth wheel and automatic only.

 

[LD1]

All the trainers and testers told me to check my specs again because I was wrong about it being over 26001. There is just huge miss here. Min training cost is $3750. 160 hours in class learning semis and air brakes and fifth wheel to go get a CDL restricted to no air brakes, no fifth wheel and automatic only.

What specs do they want you to check?

No secret that modern 1-ton trucks push 14k GVWR....

And trailers behind a 1-ton truck can easily go north of 30k

Seems the gov't wants you to have a CDL to drive a 1-ton with a trailer.....yet dont have an appropriate way to get said CDL with a 1-ton and trailer?

 

[RandyT]

What specs do they want you to check?

No secret that modern 1-ton trucks push 14k GVWR....

And trailers behind a 1-ton truck can easily go north of 30k

Seems the gov't wants you to have a CDL to drive a 1-ton with a trailer.....yet dont have an appropriate way to get said CDL with a 1-ton and trailer?

And that is the dilemma in a nutshell, The state want you to jump through hoops, but then can't deliver the circus.

 

[stumblinhorse]

And that is the dilemma in a nutshell, The state want you to jump through hoops, but then can't deliver the circus.

Sadly, for me, I think your state has a handle on it. You register your vehicle and trailer, each, for a specific weight and you are golden.

 

[QRTRHRS]

Too much to post here but some highlights about KY farm tags: 26,001 to 38,000 tags cost 11.50. With the 38k, you are required to have DOT numbers. From 38K up to 80k, your plate fee is 40% of the normal fee.

 

[AnotherBueller]

IF it is listed on the door tag......my understanding is that the Max GCWR is NOT simply the sum of the truck and trailers GVWR's.

It is simply the MAX that the the both can weigh.

In the above example, if the GCWR on the truck tag is 39k........You are still okay with that 14k truck and 30k trailer.....just as long as the total combined weight stays under 39k.

In other words.....you can have a heavily rated trailer, and just not load it as heavy. IE.....you can probably buy the EXACT same trailer with an option for 12k axles or 15k axles. Upgrade to the 15k axles to haul the same load shouldnt automatically make it illegal. Similar to upgrading the 7k axles on a 14k trailer to 8k axles instead.

I have letter from the Mo. SHP that says my '94 F-350's GCVW is what ever my license plate says it is. In '94 ford dd not list a combined weight limit, only vehicle, and for a vet with a disability rating from the VA, my plate is free so I have 18k plates (I can get only 1 free plate).

 

[Mike sandor]

I don’t think think so.

The below is what I went thru a few years back when I bought a boat and trailer.

Regarding a cdl, I am learning that there is one hell uv a gray area. I called the Wisconsin dmv. They told me that under 26000 lbs, don't worry. When i pressed them for written confirmation, they told me to call the State patrol as they would be the one ticketing me. I called the State patrol and they said I should be fine. I told them I need to be 100% clear and legal. They said they would check on it and call back. An hour later, they called and confirmed that it is not what you are towing that matters, it is the combined GVWR of the truck and what is being towed. If that number is over 26000 lbs, you MUST have a cdl. So, my truck is rated at 12500 lbs, boat trailer at 22000. No question, I need a cdl.
I did tell them that this is for personal use, no monitary gain.
By the way, my actual weight loaded is just a bit over 25000lbs. Again, the GVWR trumps the actual weight. So, I asked the nice officer if I could ask a question. Say the wife and I went out for dinner, each had one beer, and get stopped for a trafic violation. The officer smells beer on my breath and I blow under the legal limit. Will I get a ticket for dui? He says no. I then ask, if I tow my boat and I am under the 26000 lbs threshold, will I get ticketed for being over weight, even though I am not. He said yes! The reason being is that I could be. Damn, I gotta go study for my cdl.

 

[Hay Dude]

The way I read it, you can drive a 25,999 truck with a 9,999 trailer and not need a CDL.

That means 35,998 rolling down the road on a standard license.

I will say it again, the best thing to do is find a buddy with a CDL size truck and just get your CDL. You can put all this worry behind you and just go about your business.
While I agree the requirements make no sense, you have to realize this stuff is created and regulated by people who probably have never driven anything more than a car.

 

[Hay Dude]

Ok in Colorado, I have called every testing place within 100 Miles of me. No one will do a class A driving Test. I wonder if I can get some government agency to give me a letter that the fact that pretty much 100% of all 1 ton trucks with trailers will require a CDL, they can’t support that.

Edit: was able to talk to someone that only gives class b and c. He indicated that all classes of CDL require a 4 week training class now. There is just no way…

In PA, what I did way back when was take a test through a private company that is licensed by the state to give CDL tests. You can pay them to train you, or just show up and take the test. Usually there’s school bus training or truck training places available.
I did the latter and passed my first try. It wasn’t terribly difficult.

 

[RandyT]

While I agree the requirements make no sense, you have to realize this stuff is created and regulated by people who probably have never driven anything more than a car.

Back before the CDL federal guidelines and drivers had licenses from more than one state you didn't have pickup/trailer combinations in CDL class weight. My first license was a class A before A became D B became C C became B D became A.

But it could do with some updates like giving pickup/trailer setups over 26K their own classification.

 

[LD1]

The way I read it, you can drive a 25,999 truck with a 9,999 trailer and not need a CDL.

That means 35,998 rolling down the road on a standard license.

I will say it again, the best thing to do is find a buddy with a CDL size truck and just get your CDL. You can put all this worry behind you and just go about your business.
While I agree the requirements make no sense, you have to realize this stuff is created and regulated by people who probably have never driven anything more than a car.

This is where I have issues.

I wouldnt mind getting a CDL-A.

The problem is I have never, and have no desire to drive an 18-wheeler. Dont care about air brakes, or how they work.....or how to inspect a semi trailer....or any of the stuff a CDL-A covers. Im just a damn redneck that wants to drive his dually with a GN trailer attached. This really shouldnt be this hard. I shouldnt have to spend thousands of dollars and go through schooling teaching me to drive a semi when I just want to drive a p/u with a trailer.

 

[Hay Dude]

This is where I have issues.

I wouldnt mind getting a CDL-A.

The problem is I have never, and have no desire to drive an 18-wheeler. Dont care about air brakes, or how they work.....or how to inspect a semi trailer....or any of the stuff a CDL-A covers. Im just a damn redneck that wants to drive his dually with a GN trailer attached. This really shouldnt be this hard. I shouldnt have to spend thousands of dollars and go through schooling teaching me to drive a semi when I just want to drive a p/u with a trailer.

I hear ya, but it won’t costs thousands. Just get a buddy to train you, as I did, then take test. Test is in the hundreds of $. It’s a gubmit regulation thing that really can’t be avoided.

The nice thing I found is once I had it, I had people calling me asking me to haul stuff or drive trucks for them part time and I made much more money in return.

 

[LD1]

I hear ya, but it won’t costs thousands. Just get a buddy to train you, as I did, then take test. Test is in the hundreds of $. It’s a gubmit regulation thing that really can’t be avoided.

The nice thing I found is once I had it, I had people calling me asking me to haul stuff or drive trucks for them part time and I made much more money in return.

Not everyone has a "buddy" that has a big rig.....

But thats not the point. Why should I be mandated to be trained and tested to drive a "big rig" when all I want to do is haul some small equipment on a trailer behind a p/u

 

[MTGreen]

My understanding is that no matter if you're commercial or not >26k combined gross weight requires a CDL per the Feds. Certain states have farm exemptions with limitations on range/load/etc.

I've heard that some law enforcement will cite for this if the summed gvw of the truck + trailer>26k even if you're empty. (Which imo is a gross misapplication of the law)

I don’t think think so. I think that is internet lore.

The below is what I went thru a few years back when I bought a boat and trailer.

Regarding a cdl, I am learning that there is one hell uv a gray area. I called the Wisconsin dmv. They told me that under 26000 lbs, don't worry. When i pressed them for written confirmation, they told me to call the State patrol as they would be the one ticketing me. I called the State patrol and they said I should be fine. I told them I need to be 100% clear and legal. They said they would check on it and call back. An hour later, they called and confirmed that it is not what you are towing that matters, it is the combined GVWR of the truck and what is being towed. If that number is over 26000 lbs, you MUST have a cdl. So, my truck is rated at 12500 lbs, boat trailer at 22000. No question, I need a cdl.
I did tell them that this is for personal use, no monitary gain.
By the way, my actual weight loaded is just a bit over 25000lbs. Again, the GVWR trumps the actual weight. So, I asked the nice officer if I could ask a question. Say the wife and I went out for dinner, each had one beer, and get stopped for a trafic violation. The officer smells beer on my breath and I blow under the legal limit. Will I get a ticket for dui? He says no. I then ask, if I tow my boat and I am under the 26000 lbs threshold, will I get ticketed for being over weight, even though I am not. He said yes! The reason being is that I could be. Damn, I gotta go study for my cdl.

Hmm. I'm thinking not so much "internet lore" and more on the reality side here

 

[stumblinhorse]

I hear ya, but it won’t costs thousands. Just get a buddy to train you, as I did, then take test. Test is in the hundreds of $. It’s a gubmit regulation thing that really can’t be avoided.

The nice thing I found is once I had it, I had people calling me asking me to haul stuff or drive trucks for them part time and I made much more money in return.

Doesn’t work that way anymore. As of 2/1/2022 it is a federal requirement to get training from a certified training company. I called several yesterday. I said “I am sure that I have been driving my pickup and trailer longer than the instructor”. Doesn’t matter. 1 place said that since I have to pay it make no sense no to just get a restricted class A. There is no difference in training requirement. So just spend the few extra dollars and use their semi and get the full class a. $4800 and 4 weeks of class…

 

[stumblinhorse]

Hmm. I'm thinking not so much "internet lore" and more on the reality side here

Nope not anymore. I think we’ll see what they are going to do about literally millions and millions of overweight violations that are on the road every day. Every local horse show, every county fair, a cop could sit by the diesel pump in my town and write a ticket without moving all day long. I see people pulling dual 7k axle bumper pull trailers all day. Every one of them on a 1 ton is a violation.

 

[stumblinhorse]

The below is what I went thru a few years back when I bought a boat and trailer.

Regarding a cdl, I am learning that there is one hell uv a gray area. I called the Wisconsin dmv. They told me that under 26000 lbs, don't worry. When i pressed them for written confirmation, they told me to call the State patrol as they would be the one ticketing me. I called the State patrol and they said I should be fine. I told them I need to be 100% clear and legal. They said they would check on it and call back. An hour later, they called and confirmed that it is not what you are towing that matters, it is the combined GVWR of the truck and what is being towed. If that number is over 26000 lbs, you MUST have a cdl. So, my truck is rated at 12500 lbs, boat trailer at 22000. No question, I need a cdl.
I did tell them that this is for personal use, no monitary gain.
By the way, my actual weight loaded is just a bit over 25000lbs. Again, the GVWR trumps the actual weight. So, I asked the nice officer if I could ask a question. Say the wife and I went out for dinner, each had one beer, and get stopped for a trafic violation. The officer smells beer on my breath and I blow under the legal limit. Will I get a ticket for dui? He says no. I then ask, if I tow my boat and I am under the 26000 lbs threshold, will I get ticketed for being over weight, even though I am not. He said yes! The reason being is that I could be. Damn, I gotta go study for my cdl.

Your analogy is pretty good. It is like getting a ticket for DUI coming out of the liquor store with a bottle. Because you can is not what our laws are about…