Jobs Market isChanging

[Raul-02]

Ohh the dreams of youth, how they beget the regrets of maturity.

A rather large number of those people who during the covid pandemic thought they could move to some beautiful remote location and work from home and made the howling mistake of buying (or worse Building) a home - - well they are facing a terror.

Companies are realizing that if those jobs can be fulfilled by a remote employee then they can be filled even better by an outsourced overseas contractor in India at an enormously reduced cost.

Ohhhh, Baby, hard times are coming.

 

[RoyJackson]

Their big mistake was thinking remote work would be permanent. It's not...
I hate to see the outsourcing overseas...and, although I'm pretty much a libertarian, I think punitive taxes on outsourcing is necessary for our economy

 

[scootr]

Interesting discussion. I think you are both right. The problem I see is we have raised a generation that does not believe in hard work. When I was a youth I believed the harder I worked the more I earned. Not so with todays' workfarse. It started with participation awards. We all knew that was BS but young parents insisted their child not suffer the anguish of defeat. There would be no winners or losers, just participants. From there they went on to $100k college degrees in nothing useful. They resided in their parents home and quit any job that was not fun and easy.
Basically we have a entitled society. People today feel they are entitled to the things we worked our buts off for, like a nice home, a nice car, a good job, health car, retirement funds, vacations and more. This will surly bankrupt the nation unless the next generation wakes up and gets to work.

 

[Ken45101]

Their big mistake was thinking remote work would be permanent. It's not...
I hate to see the outsourcing overseas...and, although I'm pretty much a libertarian, I think punitive taxes on outsourcing is necessary for our economy

Punitive taxes on outsourcing is really the same thing as tariffs which are generally regarded as a bad solution.

People want cheap goods and don't want to pay for U.S. content, physical or mental. If people really believed in "buy American", Walmart would be hurting for customers. Last I checked, they are not.

Of course, we have the maniacs in Washington who are anxious to kill off what competitive advantages we do have, such as energy production.

 

[5030]

All I know is, I've cancelled a few credit cards because the person at the other end of the line I could not understand. Ditched a Cabelas card and a Bank One Master Card. I use US Bank MC now as their call center is manned by Americans.

Even the Harbor Freight call center is staffed with Americans. Amazing.

 

[ddbackhoe]

what about the fed employees that are working from home but not really working? Apparently tax returns cant be hand processed from home for security reasons. Classified work cannot be processed from home for security reasons, etc etc. From the ones Ive chatted with, after 2 years of working at home, there is no plan to put them back in the office.
However, if they arent missed, why do we need them?

 

[5030]

Ohh the dreams of youth, how they beget the regrets of maturity.

A rather large number of those people who during the covid pandemic thought they could move to some beautiful remote location and work from home and made the howling mistake of buying (or worse Building) a home - - well they are facing a terror.

Companies are realizing that if those jobs can be fulfilled by a remote employee then they can be filled even better by an outsourced overseas contractor in India at an enormously reduced cost.

Ohhhh, Baby, hard times are coming.

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Hard time are here already and teleworking is but a small part of it. With a new car costing 50 grand an a home in the 250 range for a shack, the only way to purchase them is finance and with homes, it's usually an ARM so as the interest rate goes up, so does the payment. No way can people today afford that bust. It's gonna go bust no matter which way you turn it.

 

[5030]

what about the fed employees that are working from home but not really working? Apparently tax returns cant be hand processed from home for security reasons. Classified work cannot be processed from home for security reasons, etc etc. From the ones Ive chatted with, after 2 years of working at home, there is no plan to put them back in the office.
However, if they arent missed, why do we need them?

My wife 'teleworked' for years and it was never a problem but she was always disciplined about her work time. She would still go in about once a week anyway. She retired a GS13 step 10 and I thank the lord she had the job she had. She carried her health and welfare into retirement and if it wasn't for that insurance, we'd be bankrupt today. My hospital bill for my cancer was just over a million bucks and it's still ongoing.

 

[Herness]

Pandemic and war will definitely change the world and i am not sure that those changes will be for better.
All we are trying to do now (i am talking about small business owners at the moment) - save as much as possible , considering the current prices of utility bills and materials. For now we changed our old communication methods inside the company to twilio slack and going to the same for the customer service in the nearest future.

 

[Oaktree]

All I know is, I've cancelled a few credit cards because the person at the other end of the line I could not understand. Ditched a Cabelas card and a Bank One Master Card. I use US Bank MC now as their call center is manned by Americans.

Even the Harbor Freight call center is staffed with Americans. Amazing.

Not that having U.S. based call centers is always an improvement...I've gotten CS reps who either had some strong regional accent, or their first language was Ebonics or something...you knew they were Americans, but still couldn't make out half of what they said. Some of the reps in India speak better English than some Americans.

what about the fed employees that are working from home but not really working? Apparently tax returns cant be hand processed from home for security reasons. Classified work cannot be processed from home for security reasons, etc etc. From the ones Ive chatted with, after 2 years of working at home, there is no plan to put them back in the office.
However, if they arent missed, why do we need them?

Obviously "non essential" employees.
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd want to be classified as non essential.

 

[scootr]

Thank God I own the company or my helper would have fired me a long time ago... probly make me sleep on the couch too

 

[Ken45101]

Pandemic and war will definitely change the world and i am not sure that those changes will be for better

Someone always profits from wars and other disasters. For the rest of us, of course not.

 

[Raul-02]

i am not sure that those changes will be for better

or the worse.

 

[Doughknob]

Their big mistake was thinking remote work would be permanent. It's not...
I hate to see the outsourcing overseas...and, although I'm pretty much a libertarian, I think punitive taxes on outsourcing is necessary for our economy

Wow, another Libertarian! I would not call myself any specific political designation. But I do definitely most closely align with what the Libertarian party espouses.

 

[Doughknob]

what about the fed employees that are working from home but not really working? Apparently tax returns cant be hand processed from home for security reasons. Classified work cannot be processed from home for security reasons, etc etc. From the ones Ive chatted with, after 2 years of working at home, there is no plan to put them back in the office.
However, if they arent missed, why do we need them?

Don’t be too sure there are no plans to get them back to work. Government wheels turn slow. But I have it on good authority our federal leaders are thinking very hard about this and how it looks to have so many employees at home.

And for those not familiar with feds and politics, its all about appearances! Things will be changing………

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

Out sourcing to india? Like boeing did with the programmers for the 737 max 8. Worked really well for them

 

[/pine]

The real changes in the job market will come when AI takes over the majority of a plethora of basic college level jobs and many levels of managerial jobs...
...The big shift in the job market will be a change to where hands on services overtake most college level jobs in pay scales...
AI will be able to take the place of a majority of jobs now held by college grads...
Not going to happen overnight but it's coming...!

 

[Yander]

I think they would love to outsource corporate jobs to other countries and they are trying. However, it is not as easy as it looks on paper. The quality of work coming from some of the off-shore companies has real issues. Thus the savings you thought you had, is lost in customer satisfaction and quality control issue.

Trust me, if it were as easy as it looks/sounds, they would have already done it. They have been trying for the last 15 years in my industry. It is not about remote vs. physically present. That problem has been solved for well over a decade, the pandemic just sent the executives home also. Now those, we could do without as many of. I have been working with off-shore teams for well over ten years. I dread it when I have an off-shore person assigned to a project I manage. It is very rare that they are a winner in any regard.

 

[Yander]

The real changes in the job market will come when AI takes over the majority of a plethora of basic college level jobs and many levels of managerial jobs...
...The big shift in the job market will be a change to where hands on services overtake most college level jobs in pay scales...
AI will be able to take the place of a majority of jobs now held by college grads...
Not going to happen overnight but it's coming...!

AI is being pushed really hard where I work. However, the jobs they are going after do not require a degree. The jobs that AI will take are non-skilled labor jobs first. Think Call center, chat bot, data entry, testing droid, etc. Things that are repetitive and have certain "you can train a chimp to do it" characteristics. The higher thinking/reasoning jobs are not going to get replaced by AI before I'm retired.

The next 5 years you will see any job that requires repetitive activities, with a limited number of variables of output, automated.

Another example would be a medical biller or medical follow up. My wife tells me what she does as a medical follow up and what medical billers do and I tell her, your job could be automated soooo easily. But they won't because the insurance company create ambiguity within their payment process to keep bills from getting paid. The entire healthcare billing and payment system could be automated if not for that.

It isn't the college educated that should be worried yet. It is the unskilled widget builders who should be. Walked through a manufacturing plant lately? I worked at honda in Marysville in a large project to put in an overhead conveyer and every day I walked that line to get to my work area, I was amazed at the automated processes and robots keeping that plant going.

I toured the Amazon distribution center South East of Columbus ohio and robots were pulling and picking products from the warehouse and bringing them to a station for a human to pack into boxes. It was quite an amazing thing to see. Even Honda had parts distribution robots running all over the place.

The next jobs you will see going are the bricks and morter stores. We will be a digital shopping country within 5 years. You've already watch what has happened in the past 2.5 years. It isn't going to stop.

 

[ddbackhoe]

Don’t be too sure there are no plans to get them back to work. Government wheels turn slow. But I have it on good authority our federal leaders are thinking very hard about this and how it looks to have so many employees at home.

And for those not familiar with feds and politics, its all about appearances! Things will be changing………

im reasonably sure theyre thinking about having discussions to begin negotiations,