Fence Line App for my phone?

airbiscuit · Feb 5, 2022

EddieWalker said:
How do you wind up barbed wire if you unroll an entire roll, plus another 300 feet or so?

20,000 feet enough?

EddieWalker · Feb 5, 2022

How strong is that stuff? I've tried using string over long distances, but it just broke on me.

airbiscuit · Feb 5, 2022

Baler twine is considerably stronger than string, but I, don't know how it woud fare over 1,600 feet. You must have some laying around you could experiment with.

EddieWalker · Feb 5, 2022

I've never bought baler twine before. I bought hay wrapped in it once and I hated removing it. Now all I buy is net wrapped bales.

EddieWalker · Feb 5, 2022

Complete Turf Care said:
If you need to be more accurate using this idea, pull a 3,4,5 triangle at each of the 2 blue points and another at the purple point.
to do this, you would have to have at least one known straight line to work from.
If you don’t have any known straight lines to work from, the 3,4,5 triangle should still get you to within a foot or so.

I was trying to figure out what it would be if I want 25 feet out, but then I realized that I could go 30 feet out and figure out where square is by measuring 30, 40, 50

airbiscuit · Feb 5, 2022

The large square bale twine looks to be even stronger.

Complete Turf Care · Feb 5, 2022

If you have access to a laser, you might be able to find the straight line with it, but at 1600' it might not work.

My laser is a GL 422, and I have used it to find straight lines many times, but only up to about 400' as in a baseball center field. https://www.spectralasers.com/product/gl422-grade-laser/

You could put the transmitter on one end and a receiver on the other end, then point the transmitter to the receiver and then come back to your middle point and locate the laser beam with the receiver. The problem doing this is finding the laser beam at 1600'. If you rotate the laser transmitter, let's say 1/10th of one degree, how far will that be at 1600'? I haven't done the math to figure that out. An, my receiver is only about 10", so it would be difficult at best. What I have done on a baseball field is point the laser where I thought it should be, then walk with the receiver until I pick up the laser beam.

Anyway, I think you are getting a lot closer to solving your issue. Good Luck.

Edit: A quick google search reveals that 1 degree at 100' is 1.75 feet, so at 1600', 1 degree change is 28'

npalen · Feb 5, 2022

I've not read all the posts so someone may have already suggested GPS with RTK used by farmers as well as others.
They talk about accuracy within a couple inches but not something that the average homeowner would have access to.

dodge man · Feb 5, 2022

So how much is the drop l off Eddie? Like I say I think you could get creative on putting something tall up if needed. PVC pipe for example and plumb it up as best as you can. If the back drops off 100 feet probably not doable. If there are to many trees, also probably not doable.

EddieWalker · Feb 5, 2022

There are too many trees for any chance of seeing from pin to pin along the property line. If I go into my neighbors land, then it's mowed regularly, but not all the way to the edge of the easement where the cliff is.

ponytug · Feb 5, 2022

EddieWalker said:
There are too many trees for any chance of seeing from pin to pin along the property line. If I go into my neighbors land, then it's mowed regularly, but not all the way to the edge of the easement where the cliff is.

I like the 30,40,50 triangle @Complete Turf Care suggested offset to aim down the gas pipeline. I would set the two fifties x 40s first, iterating until they line up and then set the other two. I would use steel concrete/site stakes; you could use the nail holes as crude pin holes for sighting the 90 degree roughly and to sight the other three stakes on the gas line. Once you have the two ends set, you can set up a 3,4,5 triangle anywhere in between to get line markers where you want them.

But it probably won't be survey grade, because who knows where the pipeline center really is.

All the best,

Peter

BackRoad · Feb 5, 2022

I've got a NatGas transmission pipeline crossing my property and needed to bury 3" conduit for the cable folks to run my cable service.

Called 811 and someone was there the next day to flag the actual pipeline location.

He told me it was a 10" transmission line, 6' deep based on the readings....and he flagged the pipe along a 25' length where I planned to cross it.

Guidance was any ground disturbance (which you might beneficially interpret to include fence post driving(?) needed 811 service first to mark the pipeline.

In my case, they also required somebody from the pipeline Co. to be present when I was digging within 25' of the pipeline flags, but that doesn't apply to you.

Not mentioning this for safety reasons, rather as a potential option for confirming the actual pipeline location if needed as a baseline reference for your fence line.

LD1 · Feb 6, 2022

Seeing the overhead view.....I think you have your best solution so far and are on the right track.

Get where you have line of sight from front to back and measure over

How you get that straight line for reference is gonna depend on what you have at your disposal.

Basically you need to make two new imaginary points where you have LOS, and both being an equal distance from you current known pins. That may be 25', or 37', or 107'. But whatever it is....attain your straight line to reference back

For that straight line...you can use a sight level, rifle scope, eyeball and a second person, string, wire, etc. Don't really matter. Just by eye....knowing the two end points....it's easy to place markers between the two with a pretty high degree of accuracy by sighting point to point and directing someone in-between the two points where to place a marker

EddieWalker · Feb 6, 2022

I agree. I was slow to understand what all of you where saying. But now it's all coming together and I'm feeling very comfortable with measuring 30 feet into my neighbors land and running the line from those two points. I'm a little unsure how the line will stretch over the drop in elevation, but I think that I can eyeball it to get it straight as I tighten it. I might lay a board across the ground so it can slide easily as I pull the line tight.

Another issue that I have with measuring from the marker for the pipeline is that the pipe might not be centered in the right of way. The marker could be accurate, but if the pipe isn't dead center, then I'm not going to have an accurate property line. The pins where set by the surveyor in 2005, so that's all that really matters. The pipe is just a reference, which is why I've been nervous about all of this.

Thank you. I'm looking at bailing twine now. I'm still clearing trees, but with this new plan, I can figure out where the line is even if it's too muddy to remove trees!! I'm also looking for a good way to wind it up again after I'm done with it.

ponytug · Feb 6, 2022

They do make reels for winding up wire and rope, but as this is baling twine, I would be inclined to use a piece of 4-5" PVC pipe to wind it on. If you got fancy and added two handles (rods/pipe) 180 apart, you probably could wind the twine like a speed demon. I think two pieces of 1/2-3/4" PVC and a 2x4" would be one way.

All the best,

Peter

dodge man · Feb 6, 2022

I ran offset lines all the time. It works well. We usually just clapped a 90. You stand on the line with your arms lifted and extended and fingers pointed up and down the line or your best best guess where the line is, close your eyes and clap your hands together in front at eye level. That will get you close to 90 degrees.