Right front wheel not turning from left to right.

[DJP]

I have a Mahindra 4500 2wd, I was working on the front wheel cylinder between the two front tires, had my tractor jacked up off the front tires. It been jacked up for two weeks. I disconnected the front cylinder from both front tires. Later the left front tire allow me to turn the left wheel manually free from left to right. But the right front wheel appear to be locked and would not allow me to manually turn the wheel left to right. I can turn the wheel around and around but not left to right. The front wheel spindle/wheel arm (the part that has the large castle bolt is not allowing me to move the wheel. I shot some Greece in the Greece line, and it came back out where the square bolt connects to the spindle. Can anyone inform how to get free my left front wheel, so it will turn back left and right.

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

Is there anything binding it up?

 

[DJP]

Is there anything binding it up?

Thanks for the reply Ledgemere Farm: No there are no signs that anything blocking or keeping it from manually moving from left to right. The other left wheel freely allow you to manually turn it left and right. Do I need to hit it with something heavy and big? Can I remove the square bolt on the same side of the Greece needle, Greece again with bolt off, or apply some type of oil, that may loosen the spindle with the large castle nut.

 

[oldnslo]

sounds like mechanical binding in the pivot joint on the front axle. Not sure if they are bearings or bushings separating the rigid axle from the rotating (turning) wheel hub assembly. I would not get to rough but tapping with block or wood should indicate if it try's to move.

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

sounds like mechanical binding in the pivot joint on the front axle. Not sure if they are bearings or bushings separating the rigid axle from the rotating (turning) wheel hub assembly. I would not get to rough but tapping with block or wood should indicate if it try's to move.

Yes. A little tap, but don’t break it. Is it cold there? Could it have ice in it? Everything sucks when it’s cold. -11 here this morning

 

[DJP]

sounds like mechanical binding in the pivot joint on the front axle. Not sure if they are bearings or bushings separating the rigid axle from the rotating (turning) wheel hub assembly. I would not get to rough but tapping with block or wood should indicate if it try's to move.ook

Thanks oldnslo: for the reply. I took off the right wheel, not to damage the wheel tire/rim. Hit the wheel axle with a 4/4 6 foot long, the axle did not move. Can I loosen the bolt right below the large castle nut, too see it a hard hit will make the axle move???

 

[DJP]

sounds like mechanical binding in the pivot joint on the front axle. Not sure if they are bearings or bushings separating the rigid axle from the rotating (turning) wheel hub assembly. I would not get to rough but tapping with block or wood should indicate if it try's to move.

Thanks 0ldnslo: I hit the wheel HUB with a 4/4 6ft, and the hub did not budge. Where to start to get the right side HUB back moving left to right. Can I loosen the bolt/nut just below the large castle nut, will that loosen the front right wheel arm assembly housing, that houses the right side spindle for the HUB to turn???

 

[npalen]

Posting a picture of the problem might be of help if you're familiar with doing that.

 

[DJP]

Posting a picture of the problem might be of help if you're familiar with doing that.

Thanks for the reply Npalen: Do I need to take off the Hub assembly, to unfreeze the hub not turning right or left. Start by removing the bolt and nut just below the top large castle nut. Remove the large castle nut. and use what tool to get the HUB spindle out of the front wheel hub spindle housing? The whole HUB is froze in one position.

 

[npalen]

Without a picture(s) its hard to know what parts the "large castle nut" and "square bolt" are for sure. Did the steering quit working and is that why you were working on the cylinder?

Sounds like you need to remove whatever is holding the steering spindle to the front axle and try to get the spindle out or freed. Anyone close by that could help you diagnose?

 

[DJP]

Without a picture(s) its hard to know what parts the "large castle nut" and "square bolt" are for sure. Did the steering quit working and is that why you were working on the cylinder?

Sounds like you need to remove whatever is holding the steering spindle to the front axle and try to get the spindle out or freed. Anyone close by that could help you diagnose?

Thanks for the reply npalen. My tractor steering always worked. Until I had the tractor jacked up off the front wheels 4 to 5 weeks. What my tractor was doing was the steering fluid in the power steering reservoir was running hot, and steering fluid in the HSU(steering device under the tractor steering wheel)also was running hot. After weeks trying to figure out what was causing this, I removed the front wheel cylinder, took it to the shop, and the shop replaced all the seals inside the cylinder. reinstall the front cylinder, and my tractor power steering fluid in the fluid reservoir and the HSU was not running hot anymore. After installing the front cylinder, I notice the front wheels was hard to turn, disconnected the cylinder from both wheels, and was able to turn the left front wheel freely left and right manually myself. But the right front wheel was froze, the whole HUB was locked/froze in place and will not move left or right. But the HUB will allow you to turn it around and around. Shot some Greece inside the Hub housing, but still no change. Bumped the HUB with a wood block, no movement at all. The wheel HUB froze up only during the I had the tractor jacked up, working with the overheating power steering fluid issue. Reconnected the front cylinder to only the right front wheel, and the tractor turn that wheel right and left with no problem. What can you suggest to be my next step?? Do I need to unbolt and knock out the whole HUB spindle, to see what may be binding it, inside the Left wheel HUB housing.

 

[npalen]

Thanks for the reply npalen. My tractor steering always worked. Until I had the tractor jacked up off the front wheels 4 to 5 weeks. What my tractor was doing was the steering fluid in the power steering reservoir was running hot, and steering fluid in the HSU(steering device under the tractor steering wheel)also was running hot. After weeks trying to figure out what was causing this, I removed the front wheel cylinder, took it to the shop, and the shop replaced all the seals inside the cylinder. reinstall the front cylinder, and my tractor power steering fluid in the fluid reservoir and the HSU was not running hot anymore. After installing the front cylinder, I notice the front wheels was hard to turn, disconnected the cylinder from both wheels, and was able to turn the left front wheel freely left and right manually myself. But the right front wheel was froze, the whole HUB was locked/froze in place and will not move left or right. But the HUB will allow you to turn it around and around. Shot some Greece inside the Hub housing, but still no change. Bumped the HUB with a wood block, no movement at all. The wheel HUB froze up only during the I had the tractor jacked up, working with the overheating power steering fluid issue. Reconnected the front cylinder to only the right front wheel, and the tractor turn that wheel right and left with no problem. What can you suggest to be my next step?? Do I need to unbolt and knock out the whole HUB spindle, to see what may be binding it, inside the Left wheel HUB housing.

"was able to turn the left front wheel freely left and right manually"

"to see what may be binding it, inside the Left wheel HUB housing"

I'm guessing you meant to say "right" in the second line above.

The word "HUB" above is a little confusing and I think you are referring to the vertical housing?

Sounds like the vertical spindle binding in the housing may be what was causing the heat issue.

Yes, need to remove the spindle, if possible, and see what is binding. Sounds like the bearing(s) is shot.

 

[DJP]

"was able to turn the left front wheel freely left and right manually"

"to see what may be binding it, inside the Left wheel HUB housing"

I'm guessing you meant to say "right" in the second line above.

The word "HUB" above is a little confusing and I think you are referring to the vertical housing?

Sounds like the vertical spindle binding in the housing may be what was causing the heat issue.

Yes, need to remove the spindle, if possible, and see what is binding. Sounds like the bearing(s) is shot.

Again THANKS FOR THE REPLY. i AM A DO-YOURSELER: DO YOU THINK I CAN, DO THIS MYSELF, REMOVE/TAKE OUT THE SPINDLE? jOBS I HAVE DONE ON MY TRACTOR ALREADY 1. REMOVED THE FUEL TANK. 2 TOOK OUT THE STUMP JUMPER, REPLACE THE BUSH HALL TURNING ROD SEAL IN THE BACK OF THE TRACTOR, REMOVED THE FRONT WHEELS CYLINDER BETWEEN THE TWO WHEELS. IS THERE SITE I CAN GO TO SEE HOW TO REMOVE/BREAK DOWN THE FRONT WHEEL SPINDLE/HUB. I BELEIVE I START BY REMOVING THE LARGE CASTLE NUT.

 

[npalen]

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This manual may be of some help in removing the spindle but, yes, I would guess the "large castle nut" is what holds the spindle in the housing.

My concern is that, if the spindle is froze in the housing, it will require something like a porta-power to press it out. May be a job for a mechanic shop.

 

[DJP]

Without a picture(s) its hard to know what parts the "large castle nut" and "square bolt" are for sure. Did the steering quit working and is that why you were working on the cylinder?

Sounds like you need to remove whatever is holding the steering spindle to the front axle and try to get the spindle out or freed. Anyone close by that could help you diagnose?

Thanks for the reply Npalen: All this started by my power steering fluid in the power steering reservoir was over heating. After two or three months trying to put a handle on that issue, it turned out to be a seal inside of the front wheel cylinder. all the times i was checking for the over heating problem, my tractor was jacked up off the front wheels, and both wheels was turning right and left, even while i had the power steering overheating issue. Than weeks later as my tractor was jacked up, i notice i could not manually turn the right HUB and wheel right or left, but I could turn the left wheel HUB manually left or right. All the froze/lock issue appear to be in the right front axle spindle housing.

 

[npalen]

I still think that the binding in the right steering pivot is what caused the overheating issue rather than the cylinder seal. You probably didn't realize the steering spindle was binding because the power steering was overpowering it. In the process of steering overpowering, however, the binding was probably causing high pressure to over ride the hydraulic relief valve causing the oil to overheat.

A seal in the steering cylinder that was bad might cause the tractor to steer slowly or not at all. Regardless, the cause of your current problem is apparently the frozen right steering pivot. Have you tried to disassemble it?

 

[DJP]

I still think that the binding in the right steering pivot is what caused the overheating issue rather than the cylinder seal. You probably didn't realize the steering spindle was binding because the power steering was overpowering it. In the process of steering overpowering, however, the binding was probably causing high pressure to over ride the hydraulic relief valve causing the oil to overheat.

A seal in the steering cylinder that was bad might cause the tractor to steer slowly or not at all. Regardless, the cause of your current problem is apparently the frozen right steering pivot. Have you tried to disassemble it?

Thanks for the reply NPALEN. It sound like you hit the overall issue on the nail. Yes it clearly is the right steering wheel Pivot. Is the Pivot the same as what I been calling the steering spindle?? I have disconnected the top Large castle nut and pin. removed the lower bolt/nut below the large castle nut. removed the Ball joint assemble knuckle arm. OH yes: that steering pivot/steering spindle is dead froze. I have cleaned and sprayed some loose liquid over the Pivot. Hit it with a short and long sledge hammer, no budge. I assume you do knock it down to get out the steering pivot. I see a rubber seal at the top, is there maybe a medal washer behind that rubber seal that may need to be removed before you can bit out/down the steering pivot? What is call the wheel/hub whole extend arm, that you can unbolt and move out to extend the tires out further. I cannot find the steering spindle/pivot replacement. The spindle I have found over the internet do not look like the spindle/pivot that is mounted on this tractor. All the spindle/pivot i found on the internet show to be round, from top to bottom. The spindle\pivot on my tractor has riggets along with the ball joint assembly arm. Is there a web video site that show how to disassembly\remove the steering pivot. I am looking at taking it to the shop, and have it machine pressed out, the cost of that verses me finding the whole HUB/steering pivot, wheel extend arm, that has the large two big bolts.

 

[DJP]

Without a picture(s) its hard to know what parts the "large castle nut" and "square bolt" are for sure. Did the steering quit working and is that why you were working on the cylinder?

Sounds like you need to remove whatever is holding the steering spindle to the front axle and try to get the spindle out or freed. Anyone close by that could help you diagnose?

HI NPALEN: The steering spindle is dead froze. I have already tried to knock it down with a hammer, no budge. Sprayed it with BP, still no budge. I have removed the ball joint assembly knuckle arm. This is a older ball joint assembly knuckle arm, and the steering spindle/pivot both are older models. The ball joint assembly knuckle arm has cut groves in it, and the steering spindle\steering pivot also has groves that fit into the assembly knuckle arm. The new models do not have those groves. I see a rubber seal on top, is there a washer or bearing that first has to be removed before you can knock down the steering spindle??? If the bearing in the housing around the spindle is what has the spindle froze/locked, I do not believe heating will make it any easer to knock down the spindle. The spindle at top has a indent hole, this hole must be designed to help knock down the spindle without damage to the threads on the spindle. Is there a tool to assist in knocking down the spindle???? What is the name of the steering spindle/steering pivot housing?(the tractor body part that can be extended to bring the whole front wheel out farther? I would like to look at replacing this whole spindle housing, compared to taking it to a Shop, and have machine press the spindle out. and purchasing a new steering knuckle spindle kit.

 

[npalen]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[Cowboy Corey]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Here is the picture Djp is referring to