Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[cqaigy2]

Hypocrites preach mandatory EVs (etc), while flying extensively in private jets.

The Self Righteous evangelize EVs, while ignoring their environmental impacts.



Rgds, D.

 

[PuffyC]

For the most part, European cars never made much headway in the US, except for Volvo and the British Sportscars (MG, Triumph).
Although, IMHO, as long as they were properly maintained, they were quite reliable.

Outside of the Germans, Europe has never made a good car and I’ll die on that hill. Some would argue Ferrari but as my uncle who was an engineer for GM once told me, anyone can make a great car for $300k, what’s hard is making one for 50.

 

[Agvg]

The French is on the ball, Renault has had great success with EVs, Zoe and Kangoo small commercial vehicle for many years so tjæjey have experience in this field.

Peugeot and Citroen has to a lesser grade been so early adopters but are now ramping up models and sale. Have owned German, Swedish, French and Japanese cars over the years and it is not much difference in quality. Non of them has failed to take me home and it has been few repairs I didn't ask for as I did run several of them in to the ground with almost no maintenance and care.

 

[Agvg]

Outside of the Germans, Europe has never made a good car and I’ll die on that hill. Some would argue Ferrari but as my uncle who was an engineer for GM once told me, anyone can make a great car for $300k, what’s hard is making one for 50.

Then you die on that hill, how many European cars did you own to make that claim?

 

[RoyJackson]

The French is on the ball, Renault has had great success with EVs, Zoe and Kangoo small commercial vehicle for many years so tjæjey have experience in this field.

Peugeot and Citroen has to a lesser grade been so early adopters but are now ramping up models and sale. Have owned German, Swedish, French and Japanese cars over the years and it is not much difference in quality. Non of them has failed to take me home and it has been few repairs I didn't ask for as I did run several of them in to the ground with almost no maintenance and care.

The French cars were always considered "quirky". Never owned one, but I always thought the Citroen DS series were good cars with very poor dealership support.
The Peugeots were probably the most successful of any French car imported in to the US

 

[Agvg]

Owned several Citroens with hydro suspension, a very easy system to work on, but the only thing I changed was the hydraulic spheres, those are the spring/shock absorber on each wheel, in the front it tok 3 minutes, 15 on the rear. The ting with a lot of eurocars are that you must follow the book, random wrenching might not be an good idea.

 

[3930dave]

The broader background is that our (Western, for the most part) "leaders" decided to eradicate manufacturing decades ago.

Detroit has never really been interested in building low-end affordable vehicles. Aside from Tesla, what makes the news here now ? F150E, MachE - that's about it.

I can't afford a toy (meaning - Just Fun) car, and a full-size truck that I can't drive non-stop across the continent doesn't make sense to me. But, that's Just Me....

Mandated EVs will accelerate this trend of declining manufacturing. People who can't or won't spend @ or near what a Tesla will cost will probably have to look off-shore.

I really don't want to have to pick from what PRC will be allowed/wants to send here for EVs, so I'll likely be shopping Korean if/when I do.

I'll be watching closely (nothing new there) what comes out of Japan, but as I'm old enough to find the CAD price of a modern Civic eye-watering (and, I generally liked the older Hondas), I'm not holding my breathe for a Japanese EV offering that hits my budget. I'm more interested in what happens there with Hydrogen.

May you Live In Interesting Times.....

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

The thing with a lot of eurocars are that you must follow the book, random wrenching might not be an good idea.

As Jay Leno puts it "You don't want Clive down at the Texaco station working on it". From back when..... gas stations were also full-service repair shops here.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

For the most part, European cars never made much headway in the US, except for Volvo and the British Sportscars (MG, Triumph).

Haven't looked at the US #'s, but I see lots of Benzes, Audis and BMWs up here.

I agree with your other Euro flavour comments.

Rgds, D.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I don't do TV nor do I think talking heads are powerful people.

GM CEO is getting a lot of attention from high places claiming GM is going to kill off ICE production by 2035.

Fossil fuels are not going away so you do not have to sell all of your oil stocks. EV production requires fossil fuel and will for perhaps centuries to come.

I remember in 2008 when Rick Wagoner CEO of GM predicted high gas prices for the foreseeable future and started building little cars. Then the recession hit and gas prices ended up at about $1. After that I stopped listening to GM CEOs

 

[Agvg]

As Jay Leno puts it "You don't want Clive down at the Texaco station working on it". From back when..... gas stations were also full-service repair shops here.

Rgds, D.

Different brands have different engineering culture and history witch shows, and European brands may do thing very different from US/Asia and that will be very frustrating for mechanics that are very set in their ways. And of course here in Europe we know this and are used to it.

And to be honest, a lot of "independent" shops are not particularly good at anything, have been shocked talking to so call "professional" mechanics, I do have three years on school to become a car mechanic but I never did get into apprentice to complete my education so I am a amateur mechanic.

 

[RoyJackson]

Haven't looked at the US #'s, but I see lots of Benzes, Audis and BMWs up here.

I agree with your other Euro flavour comments.

Rgds, D.

Good points!
M-B has been in the US quite a while, Audi's and Bimmers came in later
When I was growing up, M-B's were rather stodgy, except for the rare 300 series sportscars...I guess that dates me.
Always had a hankering for an M-B 300TD (Turbo Diesel), especially the station wagon version

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I remember in 2008 when Rick Wagoner CEO of GM predicted high gas prices for the foreseeable future and started building little cars. Then the recession hit and gas prices ended up at about $1. After that I stopped listening to GM CEOs

I remember in 2008 when Rick Wagoner CEO of GM predicted high gas prices for the foreseeable future and started building little cars. Then the recession hit and gas prices ended up at about $1. After that I stopped listening to GM CEOs

I try never to stop listing. I was taught a long time ago that a weatherman that is always wrong is about as good as a weatherman that is always right.

 

[Agvg]

Good points!
M-B has been in the US quite a while, Audi's and Bimmers came in later
When I was growing up, M-B's were rather stodgy, except for the rare 300 series sportscars...I guess that dates me

Here old MBs as the 123 and 124 series was considered good cheap work cars when they got old, easy to repair and cheap parts, suppose this was not the case in the US.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Sam talked about how some oems are giving up on staying in business.

 

[RoyJackson]

Here old MBs as the 123 and 124 series was considered good cheap work cars when they got old, easy to repair and cheap parts, suppose this was not the case in the US.

No, never particularly inexpensive to buy or work on...I'd guess the 240D (might have been a different designation in Europe) was probably the least expensive to maintain as they rarely had problems.
If, way back when, more service stations sold diesel, the M-B 240 and 300 would probably been much more popular...probably used much more as taxis too. But not many Americans wanted to go to a truck stop to fill up

Update: The 240D was the 123 series

I owned a M-B 190 (gas engine) for a while...old man's car and I think I was in my 30's. Actually, a good vehicle...don't recall it ever leaving me stranded

 

[Agvg]

Sam talked about how some oems are giving up on staying in business.

This fellow is very in to Chinese EVs as the new and great, quit sure nobody is interested in giving away markeds to a government controlled Chinese trade attack on base industry.

 

[Fuddy1952]

This guy will put ALL vehicle manufacturers out of business. All of them..

 

[Agvg]

No, never particularly inexpensive to buy or work on...I'd guess the 240D (might have been a different designation in Europe) was probably the least expensive to maintain as they rarely had problems.
If, way back when, more service stations sold diesel, the M-B 240 and 300 would probably been much more popular...probably used much more as taxis too. But not many Americans wanted to go to a truck stop to fill up

Update: The 240D was the 123 series

It was the 240d and 300d/300d turbo that was the work horse, parts for those were easy to get everywhere and quit cheap as this was the almost default Taxi.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This guy will put ALL vehicle manufacturers out of business. All of them.View attachment 723489

Wrong! 25% of total vehicle World market is the best he will do.