Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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But what do we do with it when its spent?
We haven't put much effort in to this yet, but I'm sure much can be reclaimed for future use
 
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But what do we do with it when its spent?
That's something we should have been working on for the last 40 years, instead of assuming that windmills would meet our needs.
 
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We haven't put much effort in to this yet, but I'm sure much can be reclaimed for future use

I think re-use is a cost thing. If it were economically feasible to do so, someone would be trying Nucular (gwb) again, even with some operational risk. The disposal was as big a problem as operational accidents............
 
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That's something we should have been working on for the last 40 years, instead of assuming that windmills would meet our needs.

I tend to agree. But reactors have been around for much longer than that even, and we haven't figured it out. Bang for the buck has driven us toward other things. But, yes, if the goal is energy independence or long term supply without regard for economy, we should be slowly funding such research.
 
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Well...here's some food for thought:

Chrysler produced over 1.8 million vehicles last year (2020). Chrysler's market capitalism is about $23 billion.

Ford produced over 4.2 million vehicles also last year and has a market cap of $78 billion.

GM produced 6.8 million in 2020 and market cap of $91 billion.

Here's where it gets interesting, bearing in mind all three have been around about 100 to 120 YEARS.

Lucid Motors has produced 520 vehicles (five hundred-twenty), market cap of $86 billion which exceeds Ford!

Rivian has made 42 (forty two) trucks, hoping to produce 1,200 vehicles by the end of this year! Market Cap? $129 billion, more than Chrysler and General Motors COMBINED!

Tesla has delivered 241,300 vehicles. It's market valuation? $1.1 TRILLION!!!!! This valuation exceeds Ford, Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Caterpillar, John Deere, Kubota, (add in 50 others) combined.
 
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Well...here's some food for thought:

Chrysler produced over 1.8 million vehicles last year (2020). Chrysler's market capitalism is about $23 billion.

Ford produced over 4.2 million vehicles also last year and has a market cap of $78 billion.

GM produced 6.8 million in 2020 and market cap of $91 billion.

Here's where it gets interesting, bearing in mind all three have been around about 100 to 120 YEARS.

Lucid Motors has produced 520 vehicles (five hundred-twenty), market cap of $86 billion which exceeds Ford!

Rivian has made 42 (forty two) trucks, hoping to produce 1,200 vehicles by the end of this year! Market Cap? $129 billion, more than Chrysler and General Motors COMBINED!

Tesla has delivered 241,300 vehicles. It's market valuation? $1.1 TRILLION!!!!! This valuation exceeds Ford, Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Caterpillar, John Deere, Kubota, (add in 50 others) combined.
Exactly! So, which of the above is a bubble?
 
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Not so sure using wood (pellets or otherwise) is such a good thing...trees, regardless of species, absorb CO2,
Frankly, IMHO, nuclear power is our best option
You are right. The way to sequester carbon using trees is to log them and mill them into durable wood products, like houses, furniture, and disposable diapers. All those poopy pads in the landfills must have sequestered billions of tons of carbon by now.
 
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But what do we do with it when its spent?
Refusing to reprocess spent fuel rods is a political decision, not a practical one. They are terrified someone will refine the plutonium in the spent rods and make a bomb. That's cold war paranoia, not a practical consideration. Or, they could go to thorium fast breeders that don't make plutonium at all.
 
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Well...here's some food for thought:

Chrysler produced over 1.8 million vehicles last year (2020). Chrysler's market capitalism is about $23 billion.

Ford produced over 4.2 million vehicles also last year and has a market cap of $78 billion.

GM produced 6.8 million in 2020 and market cap of $91 billion.

Here's where it gets interesting, bearing in mind all three have been around about 100 to 120 YEARS.

Lucid Motors has produced 520 vehicles (five hundred-twenty), market cap of $86 billion which exceeds Ford!

Rivian has made 42 (forty two) trucks, hoping to produce 1,200 vehicles by the end of this year! Market Cap? $129 billion, more than Chrysler and General Motors COMBINED!

Tesla has delivered 241,300 vehicles. It's market valuation? $1.1 TRILLION!!!!! This valuation exceeds Ford, Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Caterpillar, John Deere, Kubota, (add in 50 others) combined.

Exactly! So, which of the above is a bubble?
The ones marked for extinction.
 
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Anyone that lives in the PNW knows the deal. Go to Long View, Wa, and watch all those logs getting exported when local mills are saying they can't get a local resource. Look at the "sort-of" out of sight, dirty, coal piles in Vancouver, BC being sent to China. There is more money to be made in exporting. We have become a natural resource extraction zone: Just like so many other third world nations. And politically this has been re-directed, to a misguided point, to blame our environmental standards. We like EVs because we don't think about the entire process or the Geo-political concerns that go with that. For the three percent that now own damn near everything, it isn't enough, profit-wise, to adapt the ICE in to something that isn't polluting. Which is actually rather easy to do using hydrogen, solar powered separation. This is problematic, for the three percent, because any one can do it. Kind of like, what the 3D printer is going to do.
I lived right next to the Columbia river. The log trains running along the river were seemingly endless.

Once they caught fire, made national news.

Scappose Oregon
 
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Fortunately my power rarely goes out for long here. The last time it was off, for a couple of hours, I had to drive an extra 45 miles round trip to gas up my pickup, as the local general store didn't have anybody there who could start their generator... just one reason I try not to let the tank get below 1/2.
Good practice..... I do the same.

I haven't dug into the details, but my impression from the bbc article was that it was a software/internet issue.

Basic Ingress/Egress.... make it more complicated, you introduce more dependencies..... folks like the toys/convenience.... me, I'm not big on the trade-offs.

Getting Into, or Out Of a vehicle can be a legitimate Safety issue, not just an annoyance.

Rgds, D.
 
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As much as I dislike Tesla, this is in no way unique to them. Just another major problem waiting to happen in this day of "connected" cars.
Saw a story on the news one day last week about someone who bought a used car (Ford if I'm not mistaken), and was suddenly having issues with doors locking/unlocking and other strange things, seemingly by itself. As it turned out, the previous owner had a cellphone ap to control his car and had neglected to delete it when he sold it. Apparently he was confusing this ap with one for his new car. Somehow it got traced back to him.
Luckily in this case it was an innocent oversight, but the ways someone could be malicious with this are scary to say the least.

Please excuse the possible stupid question, but can this "connectedness" be disabled without bricking the vehicle? I know all this tech-y stuff seems to be a selling point, but I can't be the only one with no need/desire for this "feature".
 
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Well...here's some food for thought:

Chrysler produced over 1.8 million vehicles last year (2020). Chrysler's market capitalism is about $23 billion.

Ford produced over 4.2 million vehicles also last year and has a market cap of $78 billion.

GM produced 6.8 million in 2020 and market cap of $91 billion.

Here's where it gets interesting, bearing in mind all three have been around about 100 to 120 YEARS.

Lucid Motors has produced 520 vehicles (five hundred-twenty), market cap of $86 billion which exceeds Ford!

Rivian has made 42 (forty two) trucks, hoping to produce 1,200 vehicles by the end of this year! Market Cap? $129 billion, more than Chrysler and General Motors COMBINED!

Tesla has delivered 241,300 vehicles. It's market valuation? $1.1 TRILLION!!!!! This valuation exceeds Ford, Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Caterpillar, John Deere, Kubota, (add in 50 others) combined.

Fuddy1952 to grasp how Tesla is getting to a 3 trillion dollar market cap at speed of light grasp on each of Joe Justice's stepping stones. One can see how Tesla today truly has no competition. In recent weeks the CEO of Volkswagen and Ford have clearly stated that without adopting the approach Tesla has taken that they cannot compete and win against TESLA.
 
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