Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[SylvainG]

Not even close! Pulling the trigger of a firearm requires a deliberate act...letting the "auto pilot" of the Tesla drive while not paying attention is pure neglect on the "driver's" part. Frankly, IMHO, Tesla should remove the self driving software completely as it leads to inattention on the part of the driver.
However, make no mistake...the driver has full responsibility and if involved in an accident, must bear that full responsibility

So from what you're saying, no firearm were ever fired by negligence?

But if it's because like you say it's deliberate act to pull the trigger, one could argue that pushing the stick twice to put the car in autopilot is also a deliberate act.

 

[Blue Mule]

Where is this evidence? I constantly see evidence of the driver not paying attention or sleeping or being drunk, etc. in most of these tesla cases. Do guns kill people or do people kill people? Looks like a similar thing to me.

I do agree, however, that 'auto self driving' is not a good thing currently. But only because the automakers cannot idiot-proof it yet.

The evidence is in all the news stories where a Tesla crashes and burns and since it's all electric good samaritans can't even get the doors open. There was another just last week.

"Herman told KHOU-TV that officials “feel very confident just with the positioning of the bodies after the impact that there was no one driving that vehicle.” Herman described a person found in the front passenger seat and another in the rear passenger seat after the crash. The New York Times also reported that Herman said officials believed “no one was driving the vehicle at the time of the crash.”

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that while computers have their place, operating 2 ton masses of steel with occupants on board ain't one of them.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The evidence is in all the news stories where a Tesla crashes and burns and since it's all electric good samaritans can't even get the doors open. There was another just last week.

"Herman told KHOU-TV that officials “feel very confident just with the positioning of the bodies after the impact that there was no one driving that vehicle.” Herman described a person found in the front passenger seat and another in the rear passenger seat after the crash. The New York Times also reported that Herman said officials believed “no one was driving the vehicle at the time of the crash.”

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that while computers have their place, operating 2 ton masses of steel with occupants on board ain't one of them.

Funny it is a rocket scientist leading the path towards Full Self Driving.

Are ok with the 80K pound self driving semis on the road today?

 

[Fuddy1952]

Here's what's weird to me. My cousin owns foundries and they burn coal and have for years. He was telling me years ago he had to
install scrubbers and various things to be clean burning, yet he still gets phone calls people "seeing smoke" coming out of the stacks. He explains that it's steam. Just steam.
People don't realize coal , oil and gas can be made clean burning.

 

[Doughknob]

The evidence is in all the news stories where a Tesla crashes and burns and since it's all electric good samaritans can't even get the doors open. There was another just last week.

"Herman told KHOU-TV that officials “feel very confident just with the positioning of the bodies after the impact that there was no one driving that vehicle.” Herman described a person found in the front passenger seat and another in the rear passenger seat after the crash. The New York Times also reported that Herman said officials believed “no one was driving the vehicle at the time of the crash.”

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that while computers have their place, operating 2 ton masses of steel with occupants on board ain't one of them.

WOW! This is just the exact very one where I heard recently, that what this Herman guy said is turning out to Not Be True. I am not dissing him directly since he saw what he saw, but when all the facts are in, it is turning out to be different than what it looked like.

The report I saw said the driver seat sensor showed someone in the seat. Either the driver had moved from the seat or he had put something on the seat to mimic a driver there. The latter case is a precise case of another poster's "deliberate act" where the human did something he was not supposed to do and was reckless and illegal. No matter how one looks at it, I cannot see a fault in the car. I can only see a fault in a human.

But read my other posts - I do not believe full self driving is ready yet because manufacturers cannot idiot-proof it yet.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This may have been posted in the past but it's a bit of EV history that I find interesting.

 

[Jstpssng]

It’s funny that somebody compared Tesla to the Model T. I’ve been thinking that if Musk really wanted to push EVs he would steal a scene from Henry Ford’s playbook and make them affordable to the common man without all of the fancy bells and whistles

 

[Agvg]

It’s funny that somebody compared Tesla to the Model T. I’ve been thinking that if Musk really wanted to push EVs he would steal a scene from Henry Ford’s playbook and make them affordable to the common man without all of the fancy bells and whistles

Doesn't work, no shortage of cheap EVs, mostly just bad designs.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

It’s funny that somebody compared Tesla to the Model T. I’ve been thinking that if Musk really wanted to push EVs he would steal a scene from Henry Ford’s playbook and make them affordable to the common man without all of the fancy bells and whistles

You might be referring to the $25,000 version that Elon Musk has announced and it is actually in development phase in the China factory today. In fact they built a special area for research and development of that car. One thing that troubles Elon Musk is the price of his vehicles are out of reach for many.

 

[Egon]

Sure. That station will have all battery packs for all EVs fully charged, ready to go no waiting. Eight attendants at the ready like NASCAR zip-zip-zip in & out 5 minutes. You'll get a new or good-tested-charged pack (not someone's junk batteries)...all that for $30 and you're on your way for another 500 miles.

There may be major battery/vehicle design changes to standardize the battery pack and installation procedure.

A process that has to come in the future to successfully operate a electric vehicle.