Engine seized???

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bkline19

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Jinma 284
Hi all,
Jinma 284 owner!
Unfortunately I don't have a ton of knowledge of the history of this tractor, as I just purchased it a couple months ago. I also don't have a ton of mechanical knowledge or understanding, so bear that in mind as well. To start, the tractor was running fine upon purchase - though there was no air filter at all, and I'm concerned that might be contributing to what's now happening. I was gone for a month and upon return, I went to fire things up. The tractor turned over and emitted a good amount of black smoke, but didn't engage. I attempted to turn it over again and it struggled on the second try. Attempted again and it just made a "clunk" sound, which I assume is the starter hitting the flywheel and struggling to move it. I took the starter off and tested it in isolation. It ran fine. I tried to move the flywheel through the gap where the starter normally seats, and was unable to budge it with a crowbar in the teeth. The fan up front moves but won't move the timing belt. The generator fan moves but won't move the timing belt. The timing belt is seized up and I can't move it at all with all my strength. I've read about people using something to try to move the crankshaft but I'm not sure where people are tying onto that - all I can see is it connects up to the hydraulic pump up front, and can't see anywhere that I'd be able to get anything onto it for leverage.

Honestly, I don't understand how the engine seized up when it's been running as recently as a month ago. I pulled the oil dipstick and there's nothing out of the ordinary - no signs of water, etc. Two out of three glow plugs show resistance. Could the third one not firing up be enough to keep things from turning over? It was quite warm - in the 70s - when I made these attempts.

I had just purchased an air breather assembly and was about to install it, but now I can't even get the tractor to start, and I have no idea where to go from here.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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I would suggest removing the fuel injectors and they try to turn engine over by hand. This will let you know if one or more cylinders is full of fuel or water from the missing intake filter assembly.

fact that it turned over some doesn’t sound seized but unfortunately stranger things have happened.
 
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Generally copious black smoke indicates an excess of fuel. This can be a blocked air intake or overly generous injectors. I'm totally unfamiliar with Jinma tractors. Normally I rotate an engine with a socket and breaker bar on the bolt at the front of the crankshaft. You make it sound like the hydraulic pump is located there. It may not be the case but is is possible your hydraulic pump has seized due to low fluid level?
 
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I would suggest removing the fuel injectors and they try to turn engine over by hand. This will let you know if one or more cylinders is full of fuel or water from the missing intake filter assembly.

fact that it turned over some doesn’t sound seized but unfortunately stranger things have happened.
Thank you - can you advise how to go about turning it over by hand? Is cranking on the flywheel advised or is there a better option? It's hard to get leverage in the small window that's open for the starter assembly to fill.
 
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Generally copious black smoke indicates an excess of fuel. This can be a blocked air intake or overly generous injectors. I'm totally unfamiliar with Jinma tractors. Normally I rotate an engine with a socket and breaker bar on the bolt at the front of the crankshaft. You make it sound like the hydraulic pump is located there. It may not be the case but is is possible your hydraulic pump has seized due to low fluid level?
Thank you - a good thing for me to check - it's very possible that the hydraulic pump seized up. Would adding hyd. fluid be the only intervention to make in order for compression to return to it, or do I need to do something more?
 
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Rats and their nests don't compress very well. 😏 Leaving the intake open to critters is a bad idea. Sounds like it was about to start until it sucked something into a cylinder or two. I would unbolt everything up to the intake manifold and see if there's any nesting material evident. If there is, the head will most likely need to come off so you can clean out the cylinders. And be prepared for the worst smell ever. :poop:
 
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Rats and their nests don't compress very well. 😏 Leaving the intake open to critters is a bad idea. Sounds like it was about to start until it sucked something into a cylinder or two.
That was my initial thought as well. A mouse, snake, or something found a nice dry, shaded place to stay every nite, away from predators. Since it ran fine the last time you used it, and now it won't crank at all, something happened in the interim.
 
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Generally copious black smoke indicates an excess of fuel. This can be a blocked air intake or overly generous injectors. I'm totally unfamiliar with Jinma tractors. Normally I rotate an engine with a socket and breaker bar on the bolt at the front of the crankshaft. You make it sound like the hydraulic pump is located there. It may not be the case but is is possible your hydraulic pump has seized due to low fluid level?
Thank you - a good thing for me to check - it's very possible that the hydraulic pump seized up. Would adding hyd. fluid be the only intervention to make in order for compression to return to it, or do I need to do something more?
Rats and their nests don't compress very well. 😏 Leaving the intake open to critters is a bad idea. Sounds like it was about to start until it sucked something into a cylinder or two. I would unbolt everything up to the intake manifold and see if there's any nesting material evident. If there is, the head will most likely need to come off so you can clean out the cylinders. And be prepared for the worst smell ever. :poop:
I was afraid of this... I had meant to stuff some steel wool into the intake before I left but totally forgot to do so... I suppose I'm paying for it now :/
That was my initial thought as well. A mouse, snake, or something found a nice dry, shaded place to stay every nite, away from predators. Since it ran fine the last time you used it, and now it won't crank at all, something happened in the interim.
I think you're right... I'll have to take the intake off and have a look what's going on..
 
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No air filter and you actually kept running it like that ?
 
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No air filter and you actually kept running it like that ?
No - I had just purchased the tractor and it didn't have one on - when I inspected it there was no blow-by, so I thought it was lucky to not have any issues yet. I had bought an air filter to install that day I went out there. Went to start it to move it to make the installation easier, and that's when all of this happened.
 

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