Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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Because of cost of gas and electricity here, at 400 KM per week, over 8 years, I will have saved over $20,000. That is NOT spare change.

Calculated like this:

My previous car did 10L per 100 KM, so 40L per week. At $1.36 per litre, that's $54.40 per week, $2,828.80 per year, $22,630.40 over 8 years. To that, I must add oil changes, which for here in Canada, we must use the 'extreme temperature' so the maintenance chart stated an oil change every 6,000 KM. 400 KM per week for 8 years is 166,400 KM, so 27 oil changes at $65 per oil change. That's $1,755, which most be added to the cost of fuel, for a total of $24,385.40

My Tesla takes 30% of its battery every 100 KM, battery is 50KWh, so 15KWh/100 KM, 60KWh per week, 3,120KWh per year, 24,960KWh over 8 years. Electricity here varies from $0.0615 to $0.0956 per KWh, so lets average at $0.0786. So over 8 years, that's $1,961.86. For 'regular' maintenance, a 2021 Tesla model 3 only requires that the brake oil be inspected every two years and changed if necessary. That's it, nothing else.

So, for a period of 8 years, a saving of $22,423.54. Like I said, not spare change.

LoL...There an old saying..."figures don't lie but liars will figure"...
Your assessment is not germane to the gist of the article...

 

[SylvainG]

@ 8 years/100k miles : no $ allowance for HV battery replacement ?

Rgds, D.

Battery is warrantied for 8 years hence why I chose that number.

 

[SylvainG]

LoL...There an old saying..."figures don't lie but liars will figure"...
Your assessment is not germane to the gist of the article...

Not following.

 

[MoKelly]

The majority makes the rules?

Unless the minority riot?

 

[California]

Unless the minority riot?

I just wish the rurals would get vaccinated and mask up so we could get over this epidemic. They don't need to riot.

 

[MoKelly]

I just wish the rurals would get vaccinated and mask up so we could get over this epidemic. They don't need to riot.

You are a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day.

 

[3930dave]

Battery is warrantied for 8 years hence why I chose that number.

OK, but my question still stands.

Maintenance Cost - while it's convenient to ignore, HV battery replacement is the elephant in the room for EV owners.

Realistically, that ^ needs to be amortized as an EV Maintenance cost, to come up with a more realistic delta wrt. ICE MTCE.

Rgds, D.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

OK, but my question still stands.

Maintenance Cost - while it's convenient to ignore, HV battery replacement is the elephant in the room for EV owners.

Realistically, that ^ needs to be amortized as an EV Maintenance cost, to come up with a more realistic delta wrt. ICE MTCE.

Rgds, D.

I don't think we even know what battery tech we will be using 8 years from now. A lot of money is going into battery research right now, hoping to nail down patents.

Currently, battery life depends on charge state and discharge/charge rate. I suspect that if you ride one hard, it wouldn't have as much zip, but I bet that's not a warranty issue. If you run one in the middle of its range, it will last a while longer. Doesn't Tesla have a charge mode that only runs the battery to 80%? As they told me when I was a kid, "Drive it like you own it."

I foresee a lot of EV jalopies with a replacement battery in the back seat.

 

[SylvainG]

Battery is $5,000 to $7,000 (US) , I'm still up by at least $15,000, if it needs to be replaced by then. My 2013 Tucson engine failed last August. Cost to replace it with a used engine was $8,000. I scrapped it for $1,000 and bought the Tesla.

Tesla car batteries are designed to last 300,000-500,000 miles which is way more than I expect to keep the car.

 

[SylvainG]

I don't think we even know what battery tech we will be using 8 years from now. A lot of money is going into battery research right now, hoping to nail down patents.

Currently, battery life depends on charge state and discharge/charge rate. I suspect that if you ride one hard, it wouldn't have as much zip, but I bet that's not a warranty issue. If you run one in the middle of its range, it will last a while longer. Doesn't Tesla have a charge mode that only runs the battery to 80%? As they told me when I was a kid, "Drive it like you own it."

I foresee a lot of EV jalopies with a replacement battery in the back seat.

Yes, I charge it to 80%, unless I plan on doing a long trip.