Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Larry Caldwell]

Mountain tops were removed for coal production.

That's an east coast thing. In Wyoming, they removed entire mountains.

 

[Williy]

Back in the I believe 70's a German or French inventor
came up with a tire full of springs no air and that was the
first and last time I seen any thing about their invention!
Has anyone heard anything about the $1.78 gas made
from LP gas company in east Texas??? They have the
patent!

willy

 

[Williy]

Let's see 2061 will make me 121 gee a spring
chicken.
Wonder how old all of the over 112 year olds in
the SS bank will be by then???

willy

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Let's see 2061 will make me 121 gee a spring
chicken.
Wonder how old all of the over 112 year olds in
the SS bank will be by then???

willy

Exactly. My "will I need to know this tomorrow" filter is only picking up on EVs because I figure they will be the first self-driving cars. At a guess, I only have about 15 years before I have to hand over the car keys. I'm already having vision problems, and suspect I won't be safe on the road by my late 80s. I already have 50 amp 240 volt outlets in the garage and shop, so an off-site EV charge will be pretty darned rare. I also have a couple acres of 45 degree bare rock south facing slope, so have room for many kilowatts of solar panels if the local utility pukes.

 

[/pine]

Does driving an electric car really save you money?

Does driving an electric car really save you money? A cheapskate runs the numbers

For a cheapskate like me, it was a welcome surprise that recharging could be so cheap — or even free. But charging can be expensive if you don't plan ahead.

www.marketwatch.com

 

[SylvainG]

I've never seen a dead Tesla along the highway, but a surprising number of Mercedes Benz. My cousin bought a Mercedes and it got towed twice in the 2~3 years she owned it. She didn't have kind things to say about it.

I have a question: Do any of the modern EV's have a spare tire? Fancy cars like BMW etc? No spare onboard might be a deal breaker for me.

My Tesla do not, not even a jack. I bought a small 12V pump and a tire repair kit, just in case I can't reach road assistance or they'll take too long.

 

[SylvainG]

Does driving an electric car really save you money?

Does driving an electric car really save you money? A cheapskate runs the numbers

For a cheapskate like me, it was a welcome surprise that recharging could be so cheap — or even free. But charging can be expensive if you don't plan ahead.

www.marketwatch.com

Because of cost of gas and electricity here, at 400 KM per week, over 8 years, I will have saved over $20,000. That is NOT spare change.

Calculated like this:

My previous car did 10L per 100 KM, so 40L per week. At $1.36 per litre, that's $54.40 per week, $2,828.80 per year, $22,630.40 over 8 years. To that, I must add oil changes, which for here in Canada, we must use the 'extreme temperature' so the maintenance chart stated an oil change every 6,000 KM. 400 KM per week for 8 years is 166,400 KM, so 27 oil changes at $65 per oil change. That's $1,755, which most be added to the cost of fuel, for a total of $24,385.40

My Tesla takes 30% of its battery every 100 KM, battery is 50KWh, so 15KWh/100 KM, 60KWh per week, 3,120KWh per year, 24,960KWh over 8 years. Electricity here varies from $0.0615 to $0.0956 per KWh, so lets average at $0.0786. So over 8 years, that's $1,961.86. For 'regular' maintenance, a 2021 Tesla model 3 only requires that the brake oil be inspected every two years and changed if necessary. That's it, nothing else.

So, for a period of 8 years, a saving of $22,423.54. Like I said, not spare change.

 

[Citydude]

That's an east coast thing. In Wyoming, they removed entire mountains.

Umm, no. Absolutely false statement.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Why would one go from ICE TO EV if it wasn't cheaper?

EVs will not save the world but for some that are on the cheap side they can help offset pain of steep inflation in the coming decades.

Our Leaf energy cost is around 3 cents per mile thanks to TVA grid source. I wouldn't sell it for $3K over what I paid 2 years ago. A year old Tesla can sell for over purchase price thanks to inflation and no one selling. If I was given a new Model Y Monday morning I wouldn't sell the Leaf but keep it in the family.

Owners of Bolts have options from GM but some especially with the older ones are waiting for the new larger free replacement batteries.

Smelling rebates in the air is driving up EV prices because all but Tesla are currently selling their EVs below net cost.

 

[3930dave]

Because of cost of gas and electricity here, at 400 KM per week, over 8 years, I will have saved over $20,000. That is NOT spare change.

So, for a period of 8 years, a saving of $22,423.54. Like I said, not spare change.

@ 8 years/100k miles : no $ allowance for HV battery replacement ?

Rgds, D.

 

[/pine]

Because of cost of gas and electricity here, at 400 KM per week, over 8 years, I will have saved over $20,000. That is NOT spare change.

Calculated like this:

My previous car did 10L per 100 KM, so 40L per week. At $1.36 per litre, that's $54.40 per week, $2,828.80 per year, $22,630.40 over 8 years. To that, I must add oil changes, which for here in Canada, we must use the 'extreme temperature' so the maintenance chart stated an oil change every 6,000 KM. 400 KM per week for 8 years is 166,400 KM, so 27 oil changes at $65 per oil change. That's $1,755, which most be added to the cost of fuel, for a total of $24,385.40

My Tesla takes 30% of its battery every 100 KM, battery is 50KWh, so 15KWh/100 KM, 60KWh per week, 3,120KWh per year, 24,960KWh over 8 years. Electricity here varies from $0.0615 to $0.0956 per KWh, so lets average at $0.0786. So over 8 years, that's $1,961.86. For 'regular' maintenance, a 2021 Tesla model 3 only requires that the brake oil be inspected every two years and changed if necessary. That's it, nothing else.

So, for a period of 8 years, a saving of $22,423.54. Like I said, not spare change.

LoL...There an old saying..."figures don't lie but liars will figure"...
Your assessment is not germane to the gist of the article...

 

[SylvainG]

@ 8 years/100k miles : no $ allowance for HV battery replacement ?

Rgds, D.

Battery is warrantied for 8 years hence why I chose that number.

 

[SylvainG]

LoL...There an old saying..."figures don't lie but liars will figure"...
Your assessment is not germane to the gist of the article...

Not following.

 

[MoKelly]

The majority makes the rules?

Unless the minority riot?

 

[California]

Unless the minority riot?

I just wish the rurals would get vaccinated and mask up so we could get over this epidemic. They don't need to riot.

 

[MoKelly]

I just wish the rurals would get vaccinated and mask up so we could get over this epidemic. They don't need to riot.

You are a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day.

 

[3930dave]

Battery is warrantied for 8 years hence why I chose that number.

OK, but my question still stands.

Maintenance Cost - while it's convenient to ignore, HV battery replacement is the elephant in the room for EV owners.

Realistically, that ^ needs to be amortized as an EV Maintenance cost, to come up with a more realistic delta wrt. ICE MTCE.

Rgds, D.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

OK, but my question still stands.

Maintenance Cost - while it's convenient to ignore, HV battery replacement is the elephant in the room for EV owners.

Realistically, that ^ needs to be amortized as an EV Maintenance cost, to come up with a more realistic delta wrt. ICE MTCE.

Rgds, D.

I don't think we even know what battery tech we will be using 8 years from now. A lot of money is going into battery research right now, hoping to nail down patents.

Currently, battery life depends on charge state and discharge/charge rate. I suspect that if you ride one hard, it wouldn't have as much zip, but I bet that's not a warranty issue. If you run one in the middle of its range, it will last a while longer. Doesn't Tesla have a charge mode that only runs the battery to 80%? As they told me when I was a kid, "Drive it like you own it."

I foresee a lot of EV jalopies with a replacement battery in the back seat.

 

[SylvainG]

Battery is $5,000 to $7,000 (US) , I'm still up by at least $15,000, if it needs to be replaced by then. My 2013 Tucson engine failed last August. Cost to replace it with a used engine was $8,000. I scrapped it for $1,000 and bought the Tesla.

Tesla car batteries are designed to last 300,000-500,000 miles which is way more than I expect to keep the car.

 

[SylvainG]

I don't think we even know what battery tech we will be using 8 years from now. A lot of money is going into battery research right now, hoping to nail down patents.

Currently, battery life depends on charge state and discharge/charge rate. I suspect that if you ride one hard, it wouldn't have as much zip, but I bet that's not a warranty issue. If you run one in the middle of its range, it will last a while longer. Doesn't Tesla have a charge mode that only runs the battery to 80%? As they told me when I was a kid, "Drive it like you own it."

I foresee a lot of EV jalopies with a replacement battery in the back seat.

Yes, I charge it to 80%, unless I plan on doing a long trip.