Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

And it took all those usable cars out of circulation for the "next step down in the foodchain" buyers while raising the price of a any used car that was on the road to at least the C4C trade in price.
That IMO made a mess of the used car market which it still hadn't fully recovered from when Covid hit and knocked the stuffing out of the new car market with supply chain interruptions.

That too.

Aaron Z

EVs will make for steeply discounted used cars in the ICE to EV change over era that MB learned when Tesla entered the $70K to $100K car market.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

EVs will make for steeply discounted used cars in the ICE to EV change over era that MB learned when Tesla entered the $70K to $100K car market.

I'm confused. What did Milton-Bradley learn?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I'm confused. What did Milton-Bradley learn?

Me too I didn't even know they made cars.

 

[goeduck]

Me too I didn't even know they made cars.

 

[aczlan]

EVs will make for steeply discounted used cars in the ICE to EV change over era that MB learned when Tesla entered the $70K to $100K car market.

So in 5-10 years there might be a increase in used ICE vehicles as people transition from buying new ICEs to buying new EVs and used EVs will command a premium vs a used ICE.
Still won't increase the quantity of vehicles available and probably won't help people buying sub
$1500 cars.

Aaron Z

 

[California]

My kids are millenials. They don't think about EVs as political, environmental or as a status thing. To them it is just "well ya". EVs are just a thing - like the next technology of whatever sort that will come their way. They don't give it a lot of thought, they are just open to it.

Yeah. My kids - born in the 80's - take the transition to EV's as inevitable. The only variable they see is how soon will affordable ones reach the market. Both have degrees related to environmental science. Hopefully that was my influence.

Younger daughter pointed out something when we were gagging on the smoke from the recent huge California fires: When existing biomass burns, the net carbon effect is zero. All that smoke will eventually get incorporated into trees and grasses until the cycle repeats.

In contrast pumping prehistoric biomass out of ancient strata and burning it as fuel, increases the net carbon in our present air, water, soil. This is unsustainable, we're gradually poisoning ourselves.

 

[davel8257]

Comparing vehicle adoption between the U.S. (or Canada for that matter) and Europe is a bit apples and oranges. First of all, Europe is much more urban than the U.S., with people driving shorter distances than here in North America. Secondly, how well do you think these would be received without the heavy government subsidization they currently receive? This seems to be setting a troublesome precedent...I don't see anyone offering free gasoline/diesel to those of us who drive conventional vehicles, why should electric vehicles have "free" or heavily discounted charging? At what point will this end, or will it?
What about road use taxes? Where will the money come from for highway maintenance should these vehicles become more than a novelty?

Does the power grid have the capacity to charge all these vehicles should they become mainstream? All questions that need to be answered.

I'm sure the technology will improve over time, maybe even to the point where these vehicles are practical but I think the 10 year time frame is a bit optimistic.

re: road use tax: Here in Indiana, an electric car owner, I pay a $150 "Supplemental fee" above the usual license plate fee. For the few local miles I drive my Nissan Leaf, that just about nullifies 100% of my savings. But, I still bought the car and enjoy driving it knowing that at least part of electricity is coming from a large solar farm down the road and not from dead dinosaurs.

 

[3930dave]

Younger daughter pointed out something when we were gagging on the smoke from the recent huge California fires: When existing biomass burns, the net carbon effect is zero. All that smoke will eventually get incorporated into trees and grasses until the cycle repeats.

Hopefully your young one will have a word with all the legislators busy outlawing wood burning for heating buildings, as it's an important resource for many non-urban people.

Rgds, D.

 

[California]

Hopefully your young one will have a word with all the legislators busy outlawing wood burning for heating buildings, as it's an important resource for many non-urban people.

Does that affect rural people where you are? Here, air quality in urban areas is a major concern. But out where someone cuts their own firewood, the representatives from the rural areas have mostly preserved their voters' right to heat with firewood.

Added: a photo with the California State Capital building in there somewhere.
Here's my post where I first included it.
This was late summer, 100 degree weather, that's all automobile smog. Adding unlimited urban wood heating smoke to this much exhaust fumes in winter, would be overwhelming.

And a similar photo I took in New Delhi, India. Mid afternoon is a false sunset as smog increases to hide the sun.

 

[SylvainG]

This was the first she had, nothing particularly exiting but it did have Citroens hydraulic suspension, and that is an experience quit unik, you can see the bad road, you can hear the bad road but not much more than that, it's a flying carpet sensation. Unfortunately it has been sacrificed because all the pumps, valvs etc added weight and used enginepower so it wasn't emission friendly.

This is the Citroen I do like, C6

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Ridding in a Citroën in Canadian winter had quite an opposite effect. Hydraulic was so stiff that you would bounce in the car. But, it's also the only car that you could drive with a wheel missing (and not tip it to ride on two wheels).