Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

An early hybrid electric car.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

GM Estimates It Will Spend $11,650 in Each Recalled Chevy Bolt EV

And that is going to cost more than a few million.

Nissan claimed the battery they replaced under warranty in our 2016 Nissan Leaf was $13,000 retail.

 

[goeduck]

I knew there was some reason those black helicopters have been flying around lately. They're pretty clever, disguising them as dragonflies.

I don't want to hijack the thread though. It's good to see that some people realize we need to find a better way to pay for the infrastructure which we all use to varying extents.

I am fine with a road use tax per mile as long as they take off all of the other taxes they use for roads. But we all know it will be a cold day in heII before government removes an existing tax. Which means I am against the toad use tax.

 

[Torvy]

I don’t think GM can build better quality cars than Tesla. The last GM car I had was really poor quality. Will see in the long run.

By itself, your example would be anecdotal. Sadly, US automakers still lag behind in quality. Check Consumer Reports. The only U.S. makes in top 10 are Buick and Ram. CR clarified that the Buick results are a bit of an outlier because of the small product line. The Chevy Silverado was the least reliable vehicle in 2020 survey.

To be fair, Tesla is also considered unreliable. In my way of thinking, though, a newer company has a higher likelihood of making substantial improvement than a well-established company that has successfully sold inferior products for years. There is no incentive for GM to improve. Fanboys and misguided patriots will buy their products regardless of the evidence. If they fail, the government bails them out. (not politics, economics).

The silver lining of this is that it is not the US workers who are the problem. Many of the Japanese makes that lead in reliability build cars in the US.

 

[Frankenkubota]

Tesla is not angling for a corporate bailout. Pay attention to the wording of the OEMs. They understand just as Tesla and Nissan lost billions the first ten years of making EVs so will the OEMs. Who does GM expect to repay the 35 billions they are borrowing to play catch up to Tesla?

they can get the money from the cash for clunkers fund.

 

[Frankenkubota]

I knew there was some reason those black helicopters have been flying around lately. They're pretty clever, disguising them as dragonflies.

I don't want to hijack the thread though. It's good to see that some people realize we need to find a better way to pay for the infrastructure which we all use to varying extents.

what we need is a better way to use the resources that we currently have.

there is a very visible corner in pinehurst nc, the mayor likes to keep it spruced up.

on at least 10 different occasions over 5 years i saw 5-6 guys, always guys, in their city workers landscapers uniform, standing around this corner, smoking and BS ing while one guy worked the rake.

We have all seen it, fix that, pay less, get more and better.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

It's too early to be noticed but we are in a midst of a paradigm shift when it comes to automobiles.

The same was true in 1973 when I bought my one and only new car. I was more interested in the Chevrolet Vega then I was the Ford Pinto but was strongly into the buy American mode.

In the end I bought a new Datsun 1200 (Nissan B-110) for $2150 because when I open my eyes I realize that GM and Ford had zero success in the small vehicle market and Nissan that was about all they imported. 200,000 miles later in 1987 I gave it to a friend.

Today GM and Ford are much smaller than they were 50 years ago when they missed the shift the paradigm shift to small cars. GM has 30 years of EV experience and yet today they still do not even on a battery factory which is equivalent to an engine factory.

In 2040 when the USA is supposed to be only selling new EVS they will be 20% the size they are today in my view.

 

[Hay Dude]

It's too early to be noticed but we are in a midst of a paradigm shift when it comes to automobiles.

The same was true in 1973 when I bought my one and only new car. I was more interested in the Chevrolet Vega then I was the Ford Pinto but will strongly into the buy American mode.

In the end I bought a new Datsun 1200 (Nissan B-110) for $2150 because when I open my eyes I realize that GM and Ford had zero success in the small vehicle market and Nissan that was about all they imported. 200,000 miles later in 1987 I gave it to a friend.

Today GM and Ford are much smaller than they were 50 years ago when they missed the shift the paradigm shift to small cars. GM has 30 years of EV experience and yet today they still do not even on a battery factory which is equivalent to an engine factory.

In 2040 when the USA is supposed to be only selling new EVS they will be 20% the size they are today in my view.

I think it might be because the biggest battery manufacturers are Chinese companies.
As with all the other manufacturing sectors in America destroyed by Chinese competition, the battery sector is owned by them and will continue to be until we get leadership in this country that is manufacturing friendly.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

they can get the money from the cash for clunkers fund.

I think it might be because the biggest battery manufacturers are Chinese companies.
As with all the other manufacturing sectors in America destroyed by Chinese competition, the battery sector is owned by them and will continue to be until we get leadership in this country that is manufacturing friendly.

That would explain why our last two OEMs in the USA, Ford and GM are going to eat the dirt perhaps. BYD and Tesla CEOs are the only two CEOs today in the world that knows how to run an EV business.

 

[Jstpssng]

I think it might be because the biggest battery manufacturers are Chinese companies.
As with all the other manufacturing sectors in America destroyed by Chinese competition, the battery sector is owned by them and will continue to be until we get leadership in this country that is manufacturing friendly.

The concept of global competition is good, yet needs a level playing field. One reason that China is a leader in the battery sector is because they can destroy their environment the way we won't. Another reason is because they have been working on them while we've stuck with our gas engines. We once were leaders but have sat on our haunches for too long.