Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[lman]

I thought the Federal Government had concluded that they don't need to pay for anything as they can just print money and drive up the deficit. Who cares about inflation?

 

[sd455dan]

I'm not so sure. What percentage of vehicle sales are trucks with that kind of towing capacity? Pretty small. Most buyers rarely if ever tow.

I don't think it will, certainly not by 2030 as these pie in the sky predictions say.

I agree. Tesla's build quality is on par with a late 70s K-car. GM's been building cars for 100 years, it's not going to take them a decade to "catch up" to anybody.
Tesla's gonna have to change their whole sales/distribution/service model if they ever want to be more than a niche player, albeit one that gets a lot of attention. As for Musk himself, I'm leaning more toward huckster than innovator.

As far as build quality the upcoming Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ioniq 5 look real good.
Kia Genesis and Hyundai brands rank above the rest in terms of initial quality. The trio snagged the top three spots, in that order, for a second year in a row

The EV 6 look is kind of neat...

 

[Gale Hawkins]

MovEBR modifications could be used for self-driving cars

Is is news to me.

 

[Jstpssng]

All of them, I think?
Truck sales are not based on reality. It’s based on those rare instances.
I hauled a pallet of block once in the last two years, I should have a F450 flatbed.
I have a 5800 pound travel trailer. I need a 3/4 ton. Heck, I might upgrade to a 5th wheel. Better get a one ton diesel.
I work construction, heavy equipment operator. Medium sized company, up to 200 field employees. The amount of young guys or women just starting out that show up to work driving a beater sedan? 10% at best. The amount driving a 1/2 ton (or higher) extended or cc truck? 75%. Our parking areas at large job sites look like the start of the used truck lineup at a large car dealership.
I’m going to guess that 75% of new trucks sold get used as a truck less than 5% of their time on the road.
I don’t have a problem with that, either. Buy and drive what ya want, it’s supposedly a free country.

How do you define “gets used like a truck?” A college kid working with me a few summers ago told me that I should be driving a Prius because I parked and we walked, rather than driving across a marginal bridge. (The abutments were so bad that one corner had dropped a foot.) I’m not sure how well a Prius would handle 10 ply tires and going up the gravel semi maintained roads that I drive at faster mph.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This is the tear down of a Ford EV motor and drive.

 

[kenmbz]

The MovEBR seems to be a new version of the current emergency responder traffic light control found in many cities.

In Phoenix and other test sites, there are boxes mounted to poles to allow cars to map out the roads and intersections.
Some sort of device is needed to replace GPS in cities (multpath issues) and allow for driverless cars to navigate on unmarked or low visibility roads.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

All of them, I think?
Truck sales are not based on reality. It’s based on those rare instances.
I hauled a pallet of block once in the last two years, I should have a F450 flatbed.
I have a 5800 pound travel trailer. I need a 3/4 ton. Heck, I might upgrade to a 5th wheel. Better get a one ton diesel.
I work construction, heavy equipment operator. Medium sized company, up to 200 field employees. The amount of young guys or women just starting out that show up to work driving a beater sedan? 10% at best. The amount driving a 1/2 ton (or higher) extended or cc truck? 75%. Our parking areas at large job sites look like the start of the used truck lineup at a large car dealership.
I’m going to guess that 75% of new trucks sold get used as a truck less than 5% of their time on the road.
I don’t have a problem with that, either. Buy and drive what ya want, it’s supposedly a free country.

Plus, the tow ratings are based on flatland statistics. I live in the country, and have a 1000' hill between me and any supplier. I drive a compact pickup, and hitch a trailer on the back if I have large loads, like a couple feet of plywood, to haul. I have to downshift to make it over the hill. The owner's manual says I have a 5000 lb. towing limit, but I'm lucky to tow a ton up a steep hill in 2nd gear. I could imagine a battery melting under that load. How a F150 would do towing a travel trailer in the Cascades where you encounter 15 miles of 6% grade is hard to imagine, particularly when you end up on high plateau and don't have a chance to regen because there's no downhill.

 

[Solitary Man]

MSN

 

[buckeyefarmer]

I have more confidence in GM building quality cars than Tesla. If Tesla can do it then GM or any traditional automaker will do it better. I do give credit to Musk for the innovation.

I don’t.

 

[Jstpssng]

MSN

I don't have a problem with this in principle; I use the road I should be expected to pay for it. The method they use to come up with a fee is subject for debate though; one proposal was to require a GPS in every vehicle to track the mileage. A lot of my driving is on private roads so the above would save me money; yet I would rather pay the extra rather than have BB tracking my every move.
I know, they do it via cell phone anyways, and I probably have a little GPS transmitter implant from when I had surgery a few years ago;*
yet at least for now I can pretend that they aren't watching my every move.


*I read about that in a sci-fi book when I was a kid, so it has to be true.

 

[lman]

You were injected with a rfid chip when you were vaccinated. When you walk or ride a bicycle on the road, you will be taxed.

 

[Whidbey]

I don’t.

Could you expand on your comment? I am not sure if it means GM can't make quality EVs or that Musk doesn't deserve credit for innovation.

 

[Jstpssng]

You were injected with a rfid chip when you were vaccinated. When you walk or ride a bicycle on the road, you will be taxed.

I knew there was some reason those black helicopters have been flying around lately. They're pretty clever, disguising them as dragonflies.

I don't want to hijack the thread though. It's good to see that some people realize we need to find a better way to pay for the infrastructure which we all use to varying extents.

 

[sd455dan]

Plus, the tow ratings are based on flatland statistics. I live in the country, and have a 1000' hill between me and any supplier. I drive a compact pickup, and hitch a trailer on the back if I have large loads, like a couple feet of plywood, to haul. I have to downshift to make it over the hill. The owner's manual says I have a 5000 lb. towing limit, but I'm lucky to tow a ton up a steep hill in 2nd gear. I could imagine a battery melting under that load. How a F150 would do towing a travel trailer in the Cascades where you encounter 15 miles of 6% grade is hard to imagine, particularly when you end up on high plateau and don't have a chance to regen because there's no downhill.

TFL will test these new EV trucks on either their IKE test or to Loveland? as soon as the trucks become available.

Recently the 1/2 tons , GM gas and the Ford F 150 hybrid both went into overheat conditions during TFL's test, due to the fact that they (GM and Ford) removed the auxiliary trans coolers.
Nothing like spending big money on a new truck to find it overheats trying to haul a couple side by sides up a mountain.
For hauling weight up a big hill Diesels are still a better choice, "so far"

 

[Jstpssng]

TFL will test these new EV trucks when they become available on either their IKE test or to Loveland? as soon as the trucks become available.

Recently the 1/2 tons GM gas and the Ford F 150 hybrid both went into overheat conditions due to the fact that they (GM and Ford) removed the auxiliary trans coolers.
Nothing like spending big money on a new truck to find it overheats trying to haul a couple side by sides up a mountain.

We're finding that with our company trucks. Apparently transmissions were lasting too long, so they eliminated the tranny coolers.

Actually with synthetic it isn't as bad, and the cooler is included if you get the towing package.

 

[sd455dan]

We're finding that with our company trucks. Apparently transmissions were lasting too long, so they eliminated the tranny coolers.

Actually with synthetic it isn't as bad, and the cooler is included if you get the towing package.

Yeah I just cant get behind the idea that running trans oil temps in the 250*-300*F range is anything "Normal" -even with pure synthetic ATF

 

[Grumpycat]

I don't think anyone has taken the battery and motor problem as seriously as Tesla. Everyone else says, "We'll just partner with somebody." Tesla partnered with Panasonic, but Tesla really drove the development and manufacturing to new levels. "Everybody" still "knows" Tesla's tiny cells are impractical, yet Tesla is kicking everyone's butt.

I don't think Tesla took the building of an automobile seriously enough. Thought they could hire people from other manufacturers and magically have a world class automobile.

Tesla should have used their newfound wealth to buy Ford. Ford knows how to build a chassis and interior. And how to shake the bad apples out of their dealer network.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I took delivery yesterday of my f150 hybrid. This is going to take a little getting used to, but with a trip to Charlotte and back today, 400 miles or so, I love it. It is wicked quick and very smooth; and I've yet to figure out when or why it goes into electric mode.

 

[Hay Dude]

Plus, the tow ratings are based on flatland statistics. I live in the country, and have a 1000' hill between me and any supplier. I drive a compact pickup, and hitch a trailer on the back if I have large loads, like a couple feet of plywood, to haul. I have to downshift to make it over the hill. The owner's manual says I have a 5000 lb. towing limit, but I'm lucky to tow a ton up a steep hill in 2nd gear. I could imagine a battery melting under that load. How a F150 would do towing a travel trailer in the Cascades where you encounter 15 miles of 6% grade is hard to imagine, particularly when you end up on high plateau and don't have a chance to regen because there's no downhill.

Lots of Italians in the Cascades, Lar lol

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Could you expand on your comment? I am not sure if it means GM can't make quality EVs or that Musk doesn't deserve credit for innovation.

I don’t think GM can build better quality cars than Tesla. The last GM car I had was really poor quality. Will see in the long run.