Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Jchonline]

I do not know of any USA based car makers buying carbon credits from Tesla.

While your first question is unknowable what we do know is Tesla has raised prices recently by $1,000 or more up to $10,000 per car and they're still booked into the future sales wise.

As to your last question again we have no way of knowing that but Tesla has stated that carbon credit sales are going away and they have not talked about going bankrupt because of it.

Today we all know talking about Tesla's carbon credit income is nothing more than a red herring. They are predicted to double sales or number of units made in 2022 to two million units.

How can a car MFG get carbon credits when to charge said Vehicle it almost always requires fossil fuels?

 

[grsthegreat]

Cause carbon credits is one of the biggest scams of modern man.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

How can a car MFG get carbon credits when to charge said Vehicle it almost always requires fossil fuels?

From another post it seems to be related to tailpipe emission test results only. From what I have been reading today it seems like the carbon credits helps fossil fuel vehicle manufacturers keep their doors open and not get shut down by the government because of emissions standards. Honda and FCA were the two buying carbon credits from Tesla from a Google search. GM is good thanks to the Volt/Bolt and and Ford learned the carbon credit rules early on it seems. For autos the need to buy carbon credits is quickly becoming a thing of the past because manufacturers are moving to vehicles that meet the federal standard or state standards or merging with other auto makers.

 

[Hay Dude]

How can a car MFG get carbon credits when to charge said Vehicle it almost always requires fossil fuels?

Touche’

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Cause carbon credits is one of the biggest scams of modern man.

And that's why it's fast becoming a thing of the past per Tesla.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Cap and Trade - History of Carbon Credits and Carbon Trading

No wonder I did not understand this subject. 50 years this subject was not even on my radar anymore than our farting cows.

Sounds a banded TBN subject so back to the geeky stuff.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

5 Plug-in Hybrid EV Myths Battery-Electric Purists Wish Were True

Some battery-electric vehicle fans are passionate about which green vehicle technology is “right” and which is “wrong.” Here are some of the myths they repeat in order to dismiss the effectiveness of plug-in hybrid-electric vehicles in meeting green car buyers’ needs.

www.torquenews.com

My son has said that a Volt should work for him because of the distance he drives. I had bought into some of these myths listed here.

If I didn't already have my parts together to rebuild the Leaf I may have went with a late model Volt.

Starting in 2016 or 17 they started shipping with a lithium ion battery good for 53 miles EPA range. Most of my trips are anywhere from 28 to 40 miles round trip which wouldn't be perfect in my case not to ever use gasoline for local trips

One guy that I was talking to had his car for 18 months and burned three tanks of gas. On top of that he charged it with his rooftop solar setup.

Since Nissan bumped our range up to 150 miles with the new battery I'm very pleased with our Leaf but it is not good for your only vehicle. A plug-in hybrid could serve as the only car in the family.

In my area there's next to no charging infrastructure today. But I charge at home and that works out just fine

 

[Hay Dude]

There’s a place I frequently walk. It’s a huge botanical garden. There’s 3 free complementary charging stations for members. I walk 1+ hour. If I can talk my wife into an EV, we could charge while we walk.
Problem is, theyre going to need 50 of them by next year.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Jeff Bezos’ brief trip to space was also a commercial for Rivian

This truck might be of interest to some of you.

 

[Cat385B]

Jeff Bezos’ brief trip to space was also a commercial for Rivian

This truck might be of interest to some of you.

Rivian just announced a delay in production due to a shortage of materials. Deliveries were supposed to start end of this month. Minimum, two month delay.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

There’s a place I frequently walk. It’s a huge botanical garden. There’s 3 free complementary charging stations for members. I walk 1+ hour. If I can talk my wife into an EV, we could charge while we walk.
Problem is, theyre going to need 50 of them by next year.

At home the Leaf will add about 24 miles of range in 1 hour. It has the 6.6 amp rated charger which draws about 26 when charging and if I had a 16 amp cable it would charge about 12 miles an hour of course the 120 volt charge cord give me 6 mi of range per hour.

 

[MossRoad]

From another post it seems to be related to tailpipe emission test results only. From what I have been reading today it seems like the carbon credits helps fossil fuel vehicle manufacturers keep their doors open and not get shut down by the government because of emissions standards. Honda and FCA were the two buying carbon credits from Tesla from a Google search. GM is good thanks to the Volt/Bolt and and Ford learned the carbon credit rules early on it seems. For autos the need to buy carbon credits is quickly becoming a thing of the past because manufacturers are moving to vehicles that meet the federal standard or state standards or merging with other auto makers.

GM is buying credits from Tesla as of 2019.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

GM is buying credits from Tesla as of 2019.

Well I have everything to learn on this subject. Sounds like GM is started to wake up and see the light. Sounds like they're taking a play out of Tesla's hand book and getting into the EV business in a serious way which means making their own EV batteries.

GM Strikes Deal For One of US' First Lithium Mines

Will one of the planet's most polluted lakes become California's Lithium Valley?

interestingengineering.com

 

[Hay Dude]

That place is a nightmare.
Maybe the workers can live in Slab City in harmony with all the squatter hippies living on SSI checks.
That place is such a mess, a lithium mine is probably it’s only salvation….

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Facing Emission Fines, Ford Becomes Ravenous for Carbon Credits​

Facing Emission Fines, Ford Becomes Ravenous for Carbon Credits

Ford is joining the lengthening list of automakers that cannot adhere to EU emission quotas and is pursuing the popular option of just buying carbon credits

www.thetruthaboutcars.com

Other Automakers Paid Tesla a Record $428 Million Last Quarter​

Other Automakers Paid Tesla a Record $428 Million Last Quarter

Automakers buy regulatory credits, and a lot of them, from Tesla in order to comply with emissions regulations around the world.

www.caranddriver.com

Thanks for these two articles. The reader's comments on the first article was extremely helpful.

I was thinking the carbon credit thing was about to go away but it sounds like it's just getting it high gear and I did not even know about the need for them in the EC.

What boggles my mind is why the manufacturers did not do like Tesla was doing instead of paying Tesla to get them out of the crack temporarily?

Now I understand why Tesla is working around the clock to be able to get 2 million new EVS on the market in 2022 to help the old OEMs players so they don't totally miss the EV evolution. It seems like Tesla does have a soft spot for Volkswagen.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Carbon credits, Another political shell game.

 

[airbiscuit]

the Salton Sea, which is one of the most polluted places on the planet due to decades of agricultural runoff.

 

[PuffyC]

Cap and Trade - History of Carbon Credits and Carbon Trading

No wonder I did not understand this subject. 50 years this subject was not even on my radar anymore than our farting cows.

It's not just farting cows, it's also those darn feral hogs:

The climate impact of wild pigs greater than a million cars, study finds

By uprooting carbon trapped in soil, wild pigs are releasing around 4.9 million metric tonnes of carbon dioxide annually across the globe, the equivalent of 1.1 million cars, according to new research.

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[PuffyC]

Rivian just announced a delay in production due to a shortage of materials. Deliveries were supposed to start end of this month. Minimum, two month delay.

Considering Ford can't even produce a garden variety gas powered F150 this is not surprising.

 

[/pine]

WSJ News Exclusive | Startup Claims Breakthrough in Long-Duration Batteries

Form Energy says it has built a low-cost iron-air battery that can discharge electricity for days, which could have big ramifications for storing electricity on the power grid.

www.wsj.com