Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

One of America's First Lithium Mines Could Be In The One Place Where A Lithium Mine Would Be An Improvement

This is some farming history I never knew.

 

[PuffyC]

One of America's First Lithium Mines Could Be In The One Place Where A Lithium Mine Would Be An Improvement

This is some farming history I never knew.

After reading that article I get the impression the author isn't a fan of the Salton Sea:

"...the whole lake became a fetid, foul-smelling death-pond, littered with carcasses and bones and swarming with flies. I’ve been to the Salton Sea, a number of years back, and it is without a doubt one of the most revolting, miserable, unpleasant places I have ever been."

and

"If you fell unconscious in LA and woke up in a rowboat in the middle of the Salton Sea, it would be entirely reasonable for you to think you had died and gone straight to Hell."

Sounds like the perfect place for a lithium mine.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

A battery revolution could make electric cars a reality for everyone

20 years from now EV Battery technology will be comparable with cell phone technology from 30 years ago.

 

[Hay Dude]

A battery revolution could make electric cars a reality for everyone

20 years from now EV Battery technology will be comparable with cell phone technology from 30 years ago.

That would be a win for everyone

 

[goeduck]

That would be a win for everyone

Except many of us will be dead by then. Dang it

 

[Hay Dude]

Except many of us will be dead by then. Dang it

Yeah thats a sad reality

 

[Gale Hawkins]

After looking at the fires in Western US the floods in West Europe the unrest in Africa and other parts of the country clearly moving from fossil fuel is not the number one priority for the world today.

Yet it will be on the front burner for the rest of our lives. One positive thing that I see that Western Nations are deciding to build their own EVs and make their own batteries for the EVS. This would be positive for many things long term. With shipping cost getting so expensive to move goods across the oceans it is a positive reason to build more of our products in our own countries.

I think as a baby boomer it is hard to realize that things will not always be getting better for the poor and lifting more people up out of poverty in Western nations with declining populations. I am watching Japan and Italy to get a picture of what it's going to be like in the United States in the future population wise and the problems with a declining population.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Global EV battery industry will be 'sold out' by 2025: BofA

According to a Bank of America Global Research report, there is a looming threat of the global battery supply for electric vehicles (EVs) running dry by as early as 2025. BofA expects global battery shortages to intensify even further between 2026 to 2030.

finance.yahoo.com

While the air is thin to support this level of EV rebates they are starting to grasp EV makers are not even planning to build the number of batteries required for their stated EV sales forecasts.

The new EV makers like GM, Ford, VW, Toyota, etc seem to forget years ago the first Giga EV factory was not to build EVs but to make lithium ion batteries.

While Tesla is technically years ahead of any other EV maker they are light years ahead when it comes to building EV car and battery factories.

Tesla today is selling everything they can build with no consumer EV rebates in place at the federal level in the USA.

That indicates there is no lack of demand for EVs but just a lack of EVs being produced.

 

[Grumpycat]

Tesla today is selling everything they can build with no consumer EV rebates in place at the federal level in the USA.

That indicates there is no lack of demand for EVs but just a lack of EVs being produced.

And no advertising. Tesla has never advertised. Only hosts their own website. No Google Ad links. Nothing.

 

[NoTrespassing]

If Tesla had to price their vehicles high enough to make a profit without making hundreds of millions of dollars on carbon credits each year, would they still sell as many vehicles? Are the "big 3" the ones buying the carbon credits? In the future as the "big 3" and others bring up their overall fleet mpg they will need to purchase less and less carbon credits. How will that effect Tesla?

 

[Grumpycat]

If Tesla had to price their vehicles high enough to make a profit without making hundreds of millions of dollars on carbon credits each year, would they still sell as many vehicles? Are the "big 3" the ones buying the carbon credits? In the future as the "big 3" and others bring up their overall fleet mpg they will need to purchase less and less carbon credits. How will that effect Tesla?

Is not carbon credits or MPG. CARB states require "clean vehicle" credits to sell certain vehicles. Other states do not. Tesla does not discriminate against buyers in states such as Alabama where they get no credits for a sale.

Any manufacturer can earn credits, only have to build to spec. Subaru builds everything to PZEV (partial zero emission vehicle) qualification so as to require fewer clean vehicle credits. Not hybrid or anything, but apparently meets the requirement over and above EPA minimum. Flex Fuel capable also lowers the credits needed to sell.

If you do not want to have to buy clean vehicle credits all you have to do is 1) build compliant vehicles for CARB states, or 2) quit selling new vehicles in CARB states. That Tesla collects revenue from other vehicle makers is totally at the control of those manufacturers.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Is not carbon credits or MPG. CARB states require "clean vehicle" credits to sell certain vehicles. Other states do not. Tesla does not discriminate against buyers in states such as Alabama where they get no credits for a sale.

Any manufacturer can earn credits, only have to build to spec. Subaru builds everything to PZEV (partial zero emission vehicle) qualification so as to require fewer clean vehicle credits. Not hybrid or anything, but apparently meets the requirement over and above EPA minimum. Flex Fuel capable also lowers the credits needed to sell.

If you do not want to have to buy clean vehicle credits all you have to do is 1) build compliant vehicles for CARB states, or 2) quit selling new vehicles in CARB states. That Tesla collects revenue from other vehicle makers is totally at the control of those manufacturers.

Facing Emission Fines, Ford Becomes Ravenous for Carbon Credits​

Facing Emission Fines, Ford Becomes Ravenous for Carbon Credits

Ford is joining the lengthening list of automakers that cannot adhere to EU emission quotas and is pursuing the popular option of just buying carbon credits

www.thetruthaboutcars.com

Other Automakers Paid Tesla a Record $428 Million Last Quarter​

Other Automakers Paid Tesla a Record $428 Million Last Quarter

Automakers buy regulatory credits, and a lot of them, from Tesla in order to comply with emissions regulations around the world.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

If Tesla had to price their vehicles high enough to make a profit without making hundreds of millions of dollars on carbon credits each year, would they still sell as many vehicles? Are the "big 3" the ones buying the carbon credits? In the future as the "big 3" and others bring up their overall fleet mpg they will need to purchase less and less carbon credits. How will that effect Tesla?

Do you realize you are posting fake news about Tesla?

 

[NoTrespassing]

Am I?

 

[NoTrespassing]

Car and Driver?

 

[lman]

Do you realize you are posting fake news about Tesla?

Must have been on CNN.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Car and Driver?

Who are the EV makers selling EVs at a net profit today in your view building 3 new EV only factories on fresh dirt in 3 years?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Must have been on CNN.

Perhaps but since we don't have TVs I don't know about these TV sources.

 

[MossRoad]

Do you realize you are posting fake news about Tesla?

Please explain. Thanks.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Who are the EV makers selling EVs at a net profit today in your view building 3 new EV only factories on fresh dirt in 3 years?

Answering a question with a question, I see. I'll go back to my original post. This is a serious question. I have a small position in Ford and am following most automakers.

If Tesla had to price their vehicles high enough to make a profit without making hundreds of millions of dollars on carbon credits each year, would they still sell as many vehicles? Are the "big 3" the ones buying the carbon credits? In the future as the "big 3" and others bring up their overall fleet mpg they will need to purchase less and less carbon credits. How will that effect Tesla?