Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[MossRoad]

Good idea. Now there is why you are an epic contributor and I am just super.

Or I was thinking of this:

"What a day for trampin’ through the woods… lump dum do di do do doh, doo dah, doo dah."

Foghorn Leghorn

 

[goeduck]

Or I was thinking of this:

"What a day for trampin’ through the woods… lump dum do di do do doh, doo dah, doo dah."

Foghorn Leghorn

Excellent! There should be an epitaph thread to capture these pearls !

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Will be? We shall see, but the fact remains that people unable to afford subsidized EVs and pay no road taxes through gasoline consumption is what’s going on here and NOW. Speculation of what might happen is great, but it isn’t reality.
Its wrong to subsidize cars for the wealthy and make poorer people who can’t afford fancy EVs pay more taxes and feel bad about air pollutio.

You won't get any argument from me. I think road taxes should be high enough to pay for all highway construction and maintenance. It's time for drivers to pay the true cost of a vehicle society. $10/gallon gasoline would go a long way toward resolving traffic congestion.

 

[goeduck]

You won't get any argument from me. I think road taxes should be high enough to pay for all highway construction and maintenance. It's time for drivers to pay the true cost of a vehicle society. $10/gallon gasoline would go a long way toward resolving traffic congestion.

Why such high taxes just on gasoline for road taxes and not taxes on electricity? EV owners drive on the same roads so ratchet up electric bills across the board "Just in case" someone uses their electricity to power an EV? Maybe the same should go for anyone using solar power since they do not "own" the sun's rays. It would seem to me the sun is owned by the public. Not unlike here on my property where the state owns the water that floats on top of MY tidelands. The precedence is there for the gobament owning the sun's rays and maybe the general public should be compensated for those using those rays. The preceding logic is yours.

 

[grsthegreat]

You won't get any argument from me. I think road taxes should be high enough to pay for all highway construction and maintenance. It's time for drivers to pay the true cost of a vehicle society. $10/gallon gasoline would go a long way toward resolving traffic congestion.

Give me a break. The road taxes they collect now just goes into general fund. Doesnt get used on roads

 

[Frankenkubota]

How do you know? I know a few "apartment dwellers" who could buy you and me and still have money left over for 3 EVs
Also goes to show how EVs are mostly a wealthy persons car. Poor people have to suffer paying gas taxes, while wealthy people with garages and 240V outlets get the EV's with government subsidies.

it's very expensive to be poor

 

[Hay Dude]

Give me a break. The road taxes they collect now just goes into general fund. Doesnt get used on roads

EV owners get away with no gas tax and the purchase of their car’s subsidized by the government. Apartment dwelling poor folks unable to afford EVs get trashed on social media for polluting and taxed out the wazoo to pay for roads for rich, subsidized EV drivers.

Sign me up!

 

[Hay Dude]

it's very expensive to be poor

Quite so, at least when it comes to vehicles.
The gas tax does not know ones income.
A poor guy with his older, less fuel efficient car pays more gas tax.
Poorer people generally use trucks more often to do manual labor jobs, so they consume more fuel and pay more tax.
If the government is going to subsidize EVs and really wants to help the poor and the hungry, it should give priority to people on the margins and make the rich guys pay full cost. Lol

 

[3930dave]

When I was a kid, booze and cigarettes were considered a Sin Tax. (Canada's taxes typically higher than USA, on most things.... then and now). When I say Sin, I imply no moral component (coming from me), that's just the "Sell".

Gasoline and it's derivatives, have just become another Sin Tax, IMO. You don't have to study much history, to see the power of using Guilt, as a manipulation tool.

Likely no jurisdiction on the planet uses the revenue just for Road Maintenance. I can't get my taxes back on what I use in my lawnmower, chainshaw, weedeater etc.....

"Expensive to be poor". Couldn't have said it better.

Before my time, it was only rich people that drove personal vehicles. History does tend to repeat, though sometimes not for the exact same reasons....

Rgds, D.

 

[lman]

Poor people don't pay road tax. They ride a bicycle. That's why they use tax money to install bike lanes and bicyclists pay no road taxes. It's not very practical though to ride a bicycle 15 miles to get groceries.

 

[Hay Dude]

Poor people don't pay road tax. They ride a bicycle. That's why they use tax money to install bike lanes and bicyclists pay no road taxes. It's not very practical though to ride a bicycle 15 miles to get groceries.

Lol, yeah I guess bikes are an option for the “extremely poor”. I was referring more to the “great unwashed” like myself. Dirty hands, trucks, older vehicles, etc.

 

[Egon]

Wait for the day you pay based on road usage. Each vehicle can easily be traced.

 

[Hay Dude]

Wait for the day you pay based on road usage. Each vehicle can easily be traced.

Yeah, well you may be waiting a long time my friend.
If I have a 60,000lb truck and drive it 10,000 miles a year, I still pay the Commonwealth of PA $3,400/yr for registration. If my competitor has a 50,000lb truck and drives it 200,000 miles a year, he pays $2,900 a year for PA registration.
I bet his truck damages the roads and wears them out a lot more than my truck, yet he pays less than I do.
I agree with you the technology exists to make all these fees more fairly paid, but it won’t happen.

I would really like to see what EVs cost without subsidies and an appropriate road tax.
I bet the purchase looks a lot less attractive.

 

[MossRoad]

it's very expensive to be poor

That was the title of my 3rd album.

 

[PuffyC]

Paying for roads with a gas tax is another example of a good idea broken by bad execution. With EVs taking over, probably the best way is to just tax the vehicle up front when purchased for whatever road tax the vehicle would be subject to (or the govt needs to collect) over its lifetime and get rid of the gas tax altogether. That way ICE or EV pays the same and the rich folks buying expensive new vehicles would in practice pay a little more in tax than the guy buying used.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Give me a break. The road taxes they collect now just goes into general fund. Doesnt get used on roads

Maybe in your state. In my state, road taxes go into a dedicated highway fund, and can't be spent on anything else. The feds, of course, scam everything they can get their hands on.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Why such high taxes just on gasoline for road taxes and not taxes on electricity? EV owners drive on the same roads so ratchet up electric bills across the board "Just in case" someone uses their electricity to power an EV? Maybe the same should go for anyone using solar power since they do not "own" the sun's rays. It would seem to me the sun is owned by the public. Not unlike here on my property where the state owns the water that floats on top of MY tidelands. The precedence is there for the gobament owning the sun's rays and maybe the general public should be compensated for those using those rays. The preceding logic is yours.

As I have mentioned, EV drivers will pay either a mileage tax or a flat rate for their highways. You paid up front for your (subsidized) solar installation, so taxing it to recover the subsidy is reasonable. I think our national infrastructure should be self-supporting based on user fees. If our bridges were toll bridges, they wouldn't be falling down.

I have no idea how you got title to tidelands. In my state, that would not be possible. Are you saying "Acres Of Clams" is real?

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Likely no jurisdiction on the planet uses the revenue just for Road Maintenance. I can't get my taxes back on what I use in my lawnmower, chainshaw, weedeater etc.....

Yes, you can. It requires careful record keeping, but you can recover road taxes on gasoline when you file income taxes each year. Mostly it's not worth it, but when my dad was using a couple thousand gallons a year on the farm he got those taxes back. Off-road diesel is tax free.

 

[grsthegreat]

Here off read diesel has federal tax, but no state tax.

 

[goeduck]

As I have mentioned, EV drivers will pay either a mileage tax or a flat rate for their highways. You paid up front for your (subsidized) solar installation, so taxing it to recover the subsidy is reasonable. I think our national infrastructure should be self-supporting based on user fees. If our bridges were toll bridges, they wouldn't be falling down.

I have no idea how you got title to tidelands. In my state, that would not be possible. Are you saying "Acres Of Clams" is real?

Okay, EV owners in Oregon pay taxes by the mile... then using the $10/gallon gas logic, those EV fees should be tripled. That would go a long way towards reducing traffic congestion. Heck, make it a dollar a mile. I just do not believe that arbitrary outrageous government taxation is the way to solve anything.

In WA much of our tidelands are privately owned. I own out to extreme low tide. City and out of state people don't understand that and trespass all the time. I never fuss about it, most people are just out for a walk. The incoming tide always solves the problem a few hours later .