Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Citydude]

Well, looked what happened to phone companies and copper wire. They lost customers to cellular, and then they don't have enough to maintain the copper to land line users, yet they have to buy law.

Same thing will happen to electric utilities. They are required by law to provide power over the lines, but people want to force them to buy electricity from every mom and pop solar install on their private residence. They will not get enough revenue to maintain their lines and equipment.

And gasoline taxes that support roads. EVs don't use gas, but use the roads. They have to come up with an equitable way to tax all road users the same, regardless of what fuel they choose. Guess what that is? Metered mileage tax. You pay according to how many miles you drive AND how much your vehicle weighs. It's the only fair way, yet many are gonna cry WHAAAAAA!!!!

Wyomings road tax for EV's is formulated using 13mpg average. Not fair by any ones measuring stick.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I have everything to learn about working with a solar installation. I'm not sure that I would load back to the grid because I see that as big complicated and expensive on the utilities part. I envision the possibility of some type of double throw switch like you could do for a backup generator between the solar system and the AC from the grid so I would have access to either one.

 

[MossRoad]

Wyomings road tax for EV's is formulated using 13mpg average. Not fair by any ones measuring stick.

Ouch.

 

[MossRoad]

I have everything to learn about working with a solar installation. I'm not sure that I would load back to the grid because I see that as big complicated and expensive on the utilities part. I envision the possibility of some type of double throw switch like you could do for a backup generator between the solar system and the AC from the grid so I would have access to either one.

It might be no different than a generator transfer switch. ON-OFF-ON.
However, it would get old having to flip a switch every time you wanted to change sources unless the solar/battery bank provided most of your needs and you didn't have to go to the grid very often.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

It might be no different than a generator transfer switch. ON-OFF-ON.
However, it would get old having to flip a switch every time you wanted to change sources unless the solar/battery bank provided most of your needs and you didn't have to go to the grid very often.

I guess it could be manual to start with for proof of concept. At some point it would be ideal to have it automated. You could have it changed to AC is if the battery dropped to a certain level and if charged up to certain level you can switch it back to the solar system.

While we are rebuilding the Leaf it got totaled with a new like 40 kilowatt hour battery pack. It could be reconfigured into a powerwall type setup for the house and I would have to get the inverters etc.

I see lots of ads of how you can get solar in with no money up front and recover your cost with what you sell back to the grid if you want that route so I'm sure there's many options and more will come up as this becomes more typical.

 

[cqaigy2]

Guess what that is? Metered mileage tax. You pay according to how many miles you drive AND how much your vehicle weighs. It's the only fair way, yet many are gonna cry WHAAAAAA!!!!

I'll go WHAAAAA! when the low bid device shorts and fry's the electric brain in my vehicle.

 

[Cat385B]

Canoo, an EV startup company that hasn’t sold a vehicle yet, announced they will build a factory outside of Tulsa, Ok.
A short run production company in the Netherlands will initially build vehicles for them

 

[ning]

Does the moon supply enough light for the solar panels?

The sun is about 400,000x as bright as a full moon (-26 apparent magnitude vs -12; every 5 magnitudes is a factor of 100). Obviously the moon is on the average considerably dimmer than that as well.

Considering that solar cells shut down in shaded daylight due to insufficient light, nighttime charging via the moon is a no-go.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Energy Transition Fad Will Send Oil Sky High | OilPrice.com

This is not a good thing.

 

[Phil Timmons]

The sun is about 400,000x as bright as a full moon (-26 apparent magnitude vs -12; every 5 magnitudes is a factor of 100). Obviously the moon is on the average considerably dimmer than that as well.

Considering that solar cells shut down in shaded daylight due to insufficient light, nighttime charging via the moon is a no-go.

Sort of odd, but some folks get some (not much, but some) Solar PV in Alaska from a Full Moon during the Winter along with reflected snow. Internal resistance of the Silicon Solar PV goes down in Cold Weather, so deep Alaska nights allow this.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The Regulatory Side Of Rolling Your Own Moderate Solar Farm

Sounds like each utility has their own rules. It would be helpful if the state rules local utility rules and national rules were combined into a unified system.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Florida Power & Light blows up its last coal plant, will replace with solar

Coal to Solar may work better in the Sun belt than in the Rust belt.

 

[Hay Dude]

Florida Power & Light blows up its last coal plant, will replace with solar

Coal to Solar may work better in the Sun belt than in the Rust belt.

Solar is fine with me, but again, like EVs it has to make some kind of economic sense.
No use ”saving the planet” (debatable) if we cant afford to heat/light our homes or have cars we can afford to drive.
The coastal elites don’t care. If it costs more, they have the money.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Having fun being so deliberately ignorant? You have never actually researched why a utility invokes rolling blackouts? Or what happens when they do?

For starters study Time Of Use. Electrical power consumption peaks in the afternoon. When demand exceeds capacity the utility is forced to blackout a region for a period of time. Would be stupid to run everyone off because then the utility wouldn't have any paying customers with lots of unsold power. Depends a lot on the utility and the situation but a blackout might be for only 10 minutes then another region goes dark.

Night consumption is about half of daytime consumption so there is little need for nighttime rolling blackouts. The better EVs have onboard timers to schedule charge. Doesn't matter to the EV when it charges so long as it is ready by the time it is needed in the morning.

MSN

And, that's quite an accusation that I'm being deliberately ignorant. Have I personally attacked you at any time in the past or present? Couldn't you have just posted the rest of your comment without the first sentence? Can you admit that the grid needs improvement?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Electric cars won't solve our pollution problems – Britain needs a total transport rethink | George Monbiot

This opinion piece is from the UK. Until recently I never thought about car tires being a source of pollution for the planet.

 

[Egon]

All that tire tread that gets worn off has to go somewhere!

 

[PuffyC]

Florida Power & Light blows up its last coal plant, will replace with solar

Coal to Solar may work better in the Sun belt than in the Rust belt.

Like this part:

"There are people… in our industry, who say, ‘You can not be clean and affordable. You can not be clean and reliable’… We have proven that is not the case."

But this part makes you crazy:

"But FPL isn’t gung-ho about all solar. In September 2020, Electrek reported that Florida utilities, including FPL, tried (and failed) to roll back net metering for rooftop solar through a front called “Energy Fairness.”"

They see where all this is going and it scares them to death. After all, the primary goal of any bureaucracy is to preserve the bureaucracy.

 

[MossRoad]

Electric cars won't solve our pollution problems – Britain needs a total transport rethink | George Monbiot

This opinion piece is from the UK. Until recently I never thought about car tires being a source of pollution for the planet.

It's been talked about for a couple years now. I'd never thought about it much either until the past couple years.

The biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters? Our car tires

Driving is not just an air pollution and climate change problem. Turns out, rubber particles from car tires might be the largest contributor of microplastics in California coastal waters, according to the most comprehensive study to date.

www.latimes.com

 

[Citydude]

This thread has turned into a Greta Thunberg novel. How dare us!

 

[cqaigy2]

Speaking of new mining sources. A year or so ago, i watched a utube vide where these guys decided to see how much platinum they could recover along side road. They collected a significant amount of rubber compound an actually recovered a surprising amount of platinum.