Driverless Cars

[MoKelly]

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[sd455dan]

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Yep and Tesla has agreed to replace the screens in America

Tesla to fix touch screens, ending spat with US regulators

DETROIT (AP) — After initially refusing a request from U.S. safety regulators, Tesla has now agreed to recall about 135,000 vehicles because the large touch screens on the console can go dark.

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[Oaktree]

Two years later and Tesla still does not have Full Self Driving ready but it is 8x safer than a human driven car without the Tesla self driving features.

How did you come up with that "statistic"? Another one you just pulled out of thin air?

 

[Reg]

Only a miniscule percentage of the vehicles on the road are Teslas making a statement like that statistically irrelevant.

Unable to process without a meaningful definition of "miniscule".
There are enough of them about to rile up 57 pages of posts about (semi)autonomous vehicles here.

I have driven one, also put it into auto pilot mode, it drives better than I do - - and I have more decades of "experience" than I care to divuge here.
Yeah, that is probably the biggest problem with humans, gathering experience accumulates losses (lives, property damage, etc) vs blasting rules/knowledge/experience into code - - oh, we said that already.

 

[Frankenkubota]

Just my opinion but I believe driverless cars will be safer and more efficient.

I spent my career on the road. Ask any pro truck driver what they think about human drivers. Many incompetent coupled with a bad attitude.

And it's far worse here than any other place i've driven.

Something about that....."i'm american and i pay taxes so i can squat in the left lane" ......

that does not happen in any of the other places ive driven.

I think robot policemen are a better solution also.

 

[MoKelly]

How did you come up with that "statistic"? Another one you just pulled out of thin air?

My guess is he got it from here:

Based on crashes per mile driven.

MoKelly

 

[kenmbz]

Just my opinion but I believe driverless cars will be safer and more efficient.

I spent my career on the road. Ask any pro truck driver what they think about human drivers. Many incompetent coupled with a bad attitude.

And it's far worse here than any other place i've driven.

Something about that....."i'm american and i pay taxes so i can squat in the left lane" ......

that does not happen in any of the other places ive driven.

I think robot policemen are a better solution also.

I guess you've never driven outside the US

 

[jjp8182]

... probably the biggest problem with humans, gathering experience accumulates losses (lives, property damage, etc)

That statement also applies to humans putting things into coding..... and it's usually compounded by the fact that the coder (particularly at larger corporations) generally has little-to-no knowledge pertinent to what it is they're coding (assuming they even know/understand what it is they are coding). Though even if/when they do, they tend to think about it only from their own life experiences which can be very limited (e.g. a native Floridian or southern Californian who's never left isn't going to know much about driving in snow or on ice).

Add in how so many humans believe their own life experiences are somehow universal or absolute and it makes getting the poorly designed code/systems corrected an absolute pain ....well, until either a sufficient amount of money has been lost due to the ignorance/negligence - or the loss of life has been enough the liable entity/company doesn't want the negative attention anymore.

Automated driving may eventually become more widespread, but any automated system will be limited to executing the instructions/code it's designers implemented. ...and those designers are far from perfect (hence the concept/existence of "recalls").

Really until a lot of humans choose to improve their own behavior creating more tools/automation is just pushing the same old "imperfect humans" problem around.....

- speaking as an engineer who's career is focused on finding (& preferably preventing) the screw-ups of other engineers/scientists/coders (can be rather eye-opening how often designers will ignore the lessons of the past ....with some choosing to do so even after their noses have been rubbed in them)

 

[kenmbz]

Ask Boeing about coders not knowing about planes and making rookie mistakes causing airliners to nose dive.

Code control and experienced supervision is required, as is a lot of infrastructure to allow cars to see through obstructions like snow (lane control) etc.

 

[MoKelly]

I guess you've never driven outside the US

Ha yes. Try driving in Mexico City and the USA is like Sunday morning.

MoKelly

 

[Reg]

Just my opinion but I believe driverless cars will be safer and more efficient.

I spent my career on the road. Ask any pro truck driver what they think about human drivers. Many incompetent coupled with a bad attitude.

And it's far worse here than any other place i've driven.

Something about that....."i'm american and i pay taxes so i can squat in the left lane" ......

that does not happen in any of the other places ive driven.

I think robot policemen are a better solution also.

I'll take on your second opinion first - errr, Robocop ? (-:

ONE of the BIG problems I have with many car drivers is their unwillingness and/or inability to stop before the stop line.
They want to stop ON the cross walk - well, maybe there aren't any pedestrians on it right now, but the tractor trailer rig trying to make the hard right turn needs some space to turn in.

I look forward to the day when autonomous vehicles are "allowed" to do whatever speed is appropriate under prevailing conditions (weather, traction/braking, traffic spacing, etc.) not some artificial limit that the town elders thought "safe" and a high percentage of drivers disregard - although there is revenue to be had from violators.

 

[jjp8182]

... - although there is revenue to be had from violators.

That there is ....which begs the question if/when automation breaks the rules who gets the ticket? ...because I seriously doubt various levels of government are going to give up on that revenue stream anytime soon. Much like: will "fuel taxes" eventually be levied on electricity when/if everyone actually switches to electric cars?

 

[cqaigy2]

Maybe have a driver's ed teacher put the car through two weeks of drivers ed, if it passes, off it goes.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Automatic braking for anything in my lane and not being able to accidentally wander out of my lane would be a plus especially if every vehicle had the same safety features. Humans have been the weak in automotive safety for a long time. AI is no better than the technology and with AI replacing human programmers safety issues should become less and less.

 

[Frankenkubota]

I guess you've never driven outside the US

that was my point, it worse here than.....should i name
all the places i've driven?

 

[kenmbz]

that was my point, it worse here than.....should i name
all the places i've driven?

Try Egypt or Mumbai. No one pays any attention to traffic lights or the local police. Roads change direction based on when too many cars want to go in one direction and then if you want to go in the other direction in the correct lane, you're out of luck. Rules change constantly, and watch for Camels, elephants and Ox, they don;t give right of way.
And make sure to go around all the burnt out wrecks by the side of the roads and highways and pedestrians running out in front of you at random places.
This is why they are testing driverless cars mostly in Europe and North America,

 

[MoKelly]

Try Egypt or Mumbai. No one pays any attention to traffic lights or the local police. Roads change direction based on when too many cars want to go in one direction and then if you want to go in the other direction in the correct lane, you're out of luck. Rules change constantly, and watch for Camels, elephants and Ox, they don;t give right of way.
And make sure to go around all the burnt out wrecks by the side of the roads and highways and pedestrians running out in front of you at random places.
This is why they are testing driverless cars mostly in Europe and North America,

Worst places I’ve driven are Mexico City and ****** (anywhere). If you are not crazy aggressive driving you are stuck in the same place all day!

MoKelly

 

[cqaigy2]

Try Egypt or Mumbai. No one pays any attention to traffic lights or the local police. Roads change direction based on when too many cars want to go in one direction and then if you want to go in the other direction in the correct lane, you're out of luck. Rules change constantly, and watch for Camels, elephants and Ox, they don;t give right of way.
And make sure to go around all the burnt out wrecks by the side of the roads and highways and pedestrians running out in front of you at random places.
This is why they are testing driverless cars mostly in Europe and North America,

Sounds like a good place to test automatic driving. Passes there, should pass anywhere.