Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

In September 2020, for the first time in European history, registrations for electrified vehicles overtook diesel



In September 22, for the first time in European history, registrations for electrified vehicles overtook diesel - JATO

I heard yesterday in NOV Norway new car sales was 80% EV's. Owners of Tesla stock seem to think EV's are a sure bet now.

 

[Agvg]

In November 2020 the pure EV market share was 61% here in Norway , much lower on vans and trucks.

 

[Agvg]

But do we count in hybrids with charging we are probably well over 80%.

 

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A Tesla Model S erupted 'like a flamethrower.' It renewed old safety concerns about the trailblazing sedans.

 

[sd455dan]

A Tesla Model S erupted 'like a flamethrower.' It renewed old safety concerns about the trailblazing sedans.

looks like Tesla's have a way to go before the fire hazard catches up with gas powered vehicles

from the last part of article:

Tesla has argued its cars are 10 times less likely to catch fire than gasoline vehicles, citing data from the National Fire Protection Association and U.S. Federal Highway Administration on the number of incidents by mileage traveled for its fleet of electric cars vs. other vehicles. Tesla said in 2018 that its vehicles had five fires per billion miles traveled, vs. 55 fires per billion miles traveled in the United States.

 

[/pine]

apples and oranges...and "statistics are for losers"

 

[Grumpycat]

"Tesla said in 2018 that its vehicles had five fires per billion miles traveled, vs. 55 fires per billion miles traveled in the United States."

Yeah, nobody thinks twice about a gasoline vehicle burning beside the road.

Or old people dying of the flu. But catch COVID-19 and its Armageddon!

Am far more concerned about Tesla slowing the Supercharge rate for my 2013 Model S. Approximately half the speed it used to Supercharge. Was 90 minutes to charge on a 540 mile trip, now 3 hours. Drove the F-150 last 2 times, 2160 miles that could have gone electric. And free. My Model S gets free unlimited use of Tesla's Superchargers.

 

[aczlan]

Don't worry, they'll come out with a monthly super duper charger plan where you pay $30 a month to get full speed charging versus low speed charging.

Aaron Z

 

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...Or old people dying of the flu. But catch COVID-19 and its Armageddon!...

Well like comparing gas to elec. fires is apples and oranges...so is comparing the flu to COVID...FYI...more people have died from COVID in just the month of December (which still has a few days to go) than normally die in an entire year from the flu...and don't even try to say the death count is convoluted because the numbers for other major causes of deaths are typical with other years...

 

[Grumpycat]

Don't worry, they'll come out with a monthly super duper charger plan where you pay $30 a month to get full speed charging versus low speed charging.

Aaron Z

$30/month would be about $120 for every time I use the Supercharger.

No, I've used Superchargers twice since June 2019. So it would cost much more than $120.

Those who do not drive EVs think they have to have a charging station on every street corner to be viable. My nearest Supercharger is 14 miles. For the first 10 months owning a Tesla the nearest was 579 miles. Then after 10 months one appeared only 125 miles away! It wasn't open more than a few days before I made the trip for no other reason than to use a Supercharger for the first time!

Me and my Tesla have a lifetime subscription for free use of Superchargers. Is too much work to drive 14 miles each way then wait when I can charge at home while I sleep for under $0.10/kWh, or about 3.5¢/mile.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

After our 2016 Leaf got totalled I put a new battery on the 2003 Escalade and started driving it. My energy cost has gone from $40 to $160 per month. That adds up.

 

[Agvg]

I do belive Audi e-tron was the most sold car in 2020 here in Norway, don't know the market share numbers for EV was, but probably over 50%.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

It is good to Old Line companies getting traction in the world of EV's.

Europe and China are really pushing for EV's. Our next president (USA) sounds pro EV but time will tell.

 

[Agvg]

VW is realising new EVs are more software than mechanical devices, developing their own software and systems, at the moment VW ID3 is sold as unfinished, a lot of functions will be missing awaiting a new software, but anyhow they are selling them as hotcakes. VW didn't dare to wait a year longer to go all inn on a pure EV platform.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I do think VW will be one of the few old line OEM's that may be around in 20 years.

Few are yet to see the software angle like you.

A few still see Tesla as a car company instead of a software developer.

If I had 2016 Tesla instead a 2016 Nissan Leaf I would have traded up many times in my sleep at no charge by now.

 

[Agvg]

Sales in Norway 2020:

Pure EV had 54,3% market share, hybrids with charging 20,5%, pure ICE cars 23%, the rest is hybrids without charging.

In desember EV had over 60% of the marked.

 

[drssg]

Sales in Norway 2020:

Pure EV had 54,3% market share, hybrids with charging 20,5%, pure ICE cars 23%, the rest is hybrids without charging.

In desember EV had over 60% of the marked.

I have read about some European countries employing strong incentives for EVs and substantial penalties against ICE vehicles at the corporate and/or consumer level. Is that the case in Norway?

 

[Grumpycat]

If I had 2016 Tesla instead a 2016 Nissan Leaf I would have traded up many times in my sleep at no charge by now.

Probably not. My 2013 got downgraded in an "update". Charges about half as fast as it used to on Superchargers. Is rumored this occurred after a Model S burned on a Supercharger in China.

The original HVAC controls were much nicer than the Version 7 tiny controls. Is currently on Version 10.

 

[Agvg]

I have read about some European countries employing strong incentives for EVs and substantial penalties against ICE vehicles at the corporate and/or consumer level. Is that the case in Norway?

Incentives, oh yes... Free parking, no taxes of any kind, until recent EV could use traffic lanes reserved for buses and taxis, free tickets on ferryes etc. All this came when EV was not much more than enthusiast vehicles for people with a death wishes, but then came Nissan leaf, a real car for ordinary people, so came Tesla model S and it exploded.

It's OK, we are just spending some money from the oil fund to establish a new solution, we are with only 5 million people a micro market but in the start of the serious EV production we was maybe the only market with some volume for brands as Tesla. Today EV are a ordinary thing, most people that have bought EV will never consider ICE again.
And we produce all our electric with hydropower and we have quit low price pr KW and a robust power distribution network with 3 phase 230v or 400V to all houses.

 

[Agvg]

This was a typical EV when Norway startet all the EV benefits, you needed some benefits to dare to take this on to the highway....