Chop Saw Reccomendations

   / Chop Saw Reccomendations #21  
Here are the problems I've run into with metal cutting saws.

Abrasive blade saws wander when making cuts in bigger pieces of steel. The blade will deflect slightly in the cut so you end up with a crooked cut. The abrasive saws are also extremely dirty. You have abrasive + metal dust everywhere in back of the saw. Another problem is that with large pieces, the metal heats up and hardens making the cut more difficult. You have to find the correct down pressure so the blade goes through the metal relatively quickly without overheating the metal OR deflecting from the pressure. You can make marginally accurate cuts if you're very, very careful. For miters, you have to make sure the wheel is aligned to the vise provided on the machine. I've owned two abrasive saws and neither was accurately marked or usable from the factory. I have a small 45/90 degree square and that's what I used to setup both the 45 and 90 degree angles.

Cold cut / dry cut saws. I owned one of these and the problem with it is the blades are really expensive and cutting can be problematic with some shapes so you don't damage the blade. You can chip a tooth or bend the blade quite easily and then it's about $100+ to replace the blade. With careful setup, you can make accurate cuts but when you cut small pieces or angles you can easily bend the blade or chip a tooth. For example, if you're making a cut on a piece of angle iron that requires you to cut a leg rather than across the flat, it's very easy to damage a blade. You have to do very careful setups to hold the piece in the machine's vise so it doesn't move when cutting. If it moves, you can chip a tooth on the blade or bend the blade. I have three souvenir blades hanging on my wall. The final problem with the saws is they're really made to cut steel and while they will cut other metals there are some problems associated with doing that.

Bandsaw. I finally purchased a Baileigh BS-210M horizontal bandsaw. The cut angles are accurate and repeatable. It will cut any type of metal and I've used it to cut wood and plastic. I use a variable pitch blade on it with moderate down pressure. The saw is a variable speed saw that you simply dial the blade speed into the controller. Since the down feed pressure can easily be adjusted, I have no problem making cuts on small pieces of metal, legs of angles, thick metal etc. It has a fixed vise and a swivel head, has a coolant reservoir, and the angle adjustment can be calibrated. The downside is - it's relatively expensive to buy. You also need a dedicated area as the non-portable saws are relative large and you need an area adjacent to the saw to feed the metal. Quality blades are relatively inexpensive being from about $30 to $60.

I've never used any of the smaller adjustable bandsaws or the horizontal / vertical models so I can't provide any opinion on them as I've no experience with them. I know Trajan makes small bandsaws, Jet has some smaller bandsaws, and Baileigh has the BS-127P that is a small portable model that has an adjustable angle feature. The small, portable bandsaws are in the $500 - $700 range. The horizontal / vertical Jet bandsaw is available in several models from about $500 to over $1,000 depending upon size.
 
   / Chop Saw Reccomendations #22  
Even though the OP is asking about chop saws, I'll add my vote to consider a basic bandsaw. The HF Horizontal/Vertical Bandsaw item 93762 1 HP 4 in. x 6 in. Horizontal/Vertical Metal Cutting Band Saw (harborfreight.com) has served me well over the past 9 or so that I've had it. Here's a post I made about it, on another thread: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...reight-tools-dont-suck-1312.html?#post5680628
It's quiet, accurate, and there are no chips or sparks flying like a chop saw. I've been using the bi-metal, made in USA, blades they sell at HF and they have been better than expected. I even use it to cut wood occasionally since the saw is handy in my barn shop.
 
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#23  
Thanks everyone for the responses. I know for sure I don't want an abrasive just for the spark/dust/blade wandering issues associated. I was just looking at harbor freight's basic bandsaw and wondering if that would be a decent option.

Seems like a "decent" cold-cut chop saw is going to run between 450-600" and I assume I'll break a couple of blades along the way so I'm adding in another $150. If the bandsaw works decent enough it seems like it is 1/3 the cost. Every time I see them used online the video goes into time lapse which leads me to believe they run slow. This may not be the case and I'll check out your link Ford850.
 
   / Chop Saw Reccomendations #24  
Little more diggin, Fein makes tools in 3 locations, Germany, Denmark & Davenport Iowa. Iowa is the Jancy Slugger factory, Fein bought dat company. Dey do NOT make tools in Taiwan.
Fein and even Jancy make very good and very expensive tools. Dis 500 saw would be in $2500 market if dey made it. ure smell like somebody got clever and went to whoring name for $$$$$$$$. Where we see dis before?
 
   / Chop Saw Reccomendations #25  
I briefly looked at the smaller 3-400$ bandsaws on Amazon. They look for the most part like they came from the same factory. I noted that the HF saws are popular, with a certain amount of people that actually use them mod this, do that to tweak them to be more reliable. So that information is out there already and you can decide if it is feasible for what your needs are. Maybe the same with the saws on the big A. Your logic seems sound. My cold cut was not expensive and I'm glad that I have it. Blades on anything are consumables. Someday I'll have a bandsaw. Be sure to run a thread with your experiences.
 
   / Chop Saw Reccomendations #26  
I don't know why the abrasive saw is off the table. And having said that, I like using one outside on concrete for long stuff. Then sweep up the mess. I know people who have big fab shops (with shears and big/small bandsaws) and still use an abrasive saw many times a day.

It's quick, CHEAP and it works.
 
   / Chop Saw Reccomendations #27  
I don't know why the abrasive saw is off the table. And having said that, I like using one outside on concrete for long stuff. Then sweep up the mess. I know people who have big fab shops (with shears and big/small bandsaws) and still use an abrasive saw many times a day.

It's quick, CHEAP and it works.

Well thank you for speaking up IT. You are obviously a true user and not a casual observer.

I have bandsaws...
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and a DRY (NOT cold) cut saw that both perform well...

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but I will NEVER get rid of my 35 year old Makita abrasive chop saw which I use daily.

Try cutting and clamping odd shape pieces and materials of unknown hardness in your other machines.

If I could only have one saw the abrasive chop saw would be it. Quick and dirty and cheap! LOL.

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Dusty and messy? Yes. Find a new hobby or buy a broom.
 
   / Chop Saw Reccomendations #28  
And you don't have to cry when it needs a new disk.

Friends and me use it mostly for tubing and angle. Cuts those quite straight. Rebar and small rod is good too. Wouldn't use it on larger solid material, as it just get's too hot.

For what it's worth. The residue from a shop saw is messy but not as nasty as the slivers from a band saw. Almost like the chop saw comes with it's own sweeping compound. lol
 
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#29  
All valid points on the abrasive saw as well. None of you has made the decision any easier, but have all given good points :) It sounds like all three will work with their own pros/cons. I guess my cut-off wheel works too. I already own it, and the replacement discs are even cheaper. Need to think through it to see what price point works and is worth it.
 
   / Chop Saw Reccomendations #30  
Poor performance from abrasive chop saws are the result of improper use.

It is a CHOP saw and needs to be operated like one. Steady continuous pressure will cause the blade to overheat, deflect and glaze.

To use properly, chopping motions are required as opposed to a steady cut for dry and cold saws.
 
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