log splitter off FEL pump

[CoyPatton]

If you tap into the curl either with quick connects for simplicity of change hoses (recommended) your curl function of the bucket will be non existent while that hose is disconnected. Also you will have to keep that valve in the curl position in order to have flow to the splitter. This is doable, but adds a control valve that is located away from where you are working with the splitter.

Using power beyond removes the valve controls of the loader. You could mount hoses as rear remotes. Depending on your loader valve, you will need a jumper hose to complete the flow of the hydraulic fluid back to the tank. If it is a separate tank from your tranny for your loader, be certain you take the return to the correct tank, bad things are likely to happen if you deplete one tank and overfill another.
Using power beyond or taping into the supply to the loader valve means only the control valve to the splitter is needed.
If bypassing your loader valve, there are several things to consider.
1) can your pump run both at the same time?
2) can you work with only using 1 (loaded or splitter) at a time!
3) if splitter circuit is connected all the time (Tee type plumbing) it must be a continuous loop (jumper hose installed) when splitter is not connected.
If you decided to send all fluid to the splitter by using quick connections on the loader’s supply and tank/return hoses, realize the loader will not function while these are disconnected. Also realize that fluid must flow constantly, meaning if neither the splitter or the loader are connected the supply and return lines must be connected to one another.

There are several ways to get hydraulics to the splitter, you just need to tell us what and how you want the splitter to function and if you want the loader functional at the same time.

Good luck

 

[m7040]

Power beyond does not disable the loader function on my MF203 industrial with the MF loader. I converted mine to mount a John Deere backhoe by doing just that and it works just fine

 

[WranglerX]

Personally I would explore the "power beyond" option as it give you more versatility on how you can connect splitter into tractors system

Dale

 

[wdchyd]

Is this where that might hook up? If not does anyone know what this would be for? Thanks everyone for your time. View attachment 672134

This port is an optional return to tank port (see page #20 on post #7), not a place to tap into power beyond, reread post #6 for the correct port adapter plug.

 

[wdchyd]

If I was to guess that may be a pressure relief setting...............

Pressure relief valve

 

[CoyPatton]

Only issue with using power beyond as his source is it will require the loader to be on the tractor to have that available.
That may be a nonissue for the OP. But that is for him to decide. However no one supporting using power beyond points this limitation out! Shame. For a grapple who cares it will always be used with the loader, but a splitter he may want the option.
This us the main reason I brought up using the supply and return lines!

 

[ptsg]

If you notice, that loader ain't coming out anytime soon. Unless the OP needs to replace the clutch soon or something.

It's pretty much a fixed loader with no easy way to take it off like the modern ones, that's why no one mentions that.

 

[DLinMI]

Tractor isn't home now, probably won't be able to check until this weekend

How about this?

 

[LouNY]

View attachment 672190

Pressure relief valve

I wouldn't swear that the valve in question is a Gresen,
the raised casting running fromthe valve output to the screw plug does not look like any of the pictures I have seen of a Gresen and not on the link posted back in post #7.
While I would agree that most likely a power beyond plug would go in the side center port, that would make the screw plugged port a return to tank, maybe.

 

[ptsg]

How about this?View attachment 672233

That a 1.87 ci pump, which would put out around 16 GPM at 2500 RPMs.

Here is a catalogue with the identification guide on the last pages: https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/e...-model-26000-26-series-guide-06-634-en-us.pdf

 

[DLinMI]

Thanks to EVERYONE for your input. So for simplicity sake if I'm absorbing all this info correctly, the easiest would be the quick couplers attached to the curl line. Which would disable the curl while the splitter was attached but I should still be able to raise and lower the bucket to move the tractor. As far as the return to tank line, I guess I need to determine what loader spool I have. If the port on top of my spool that I pointed out that is not in use is in fact a tank return I could plumb the return line with a quick coupler back in there? Correct . No extra valves or anything before the splitter? Thanks again everyone. If PTSG is correct on my output of 16GPM at 2500 rpms, is this going to be worth it, I like to run the tractor around 1000 rpms, or does the front pump rotate at a different rpm than the engine tach?

 

[LouNY]

Most front pump applications on tractors ran at engine speed.
As far as the return where does your loader valve return to,
a tee in there would be the best.

 

[ptsg]

Thanks to EVERYONE for your input. So for simplicity sake if I'm absorbing all this info correctly, the easiest would be the quick couplers attached to the curl line. Which would disable the curl while the splitter was attached but I should still be able to raise and lower the bucket to move the tractor. As far as the return to tank line, I guess I need to determine what loader spool I have. If the port on top of my spool that I pointed out that is not in use is in fact a tank return I could plumb the return line with a quick coupler back in there? Correct . No extra valves or anything before the splitter? Thanks again everyone. If PTSG is correct on my output of 16GPM at 2500 rpms, is this going to be worth it, I like to run the tractor around 1000 rpms, or does the front pump rotate at a different rpm than the engine tach?

While the pump will put out 16 GPM at 2500 RPMs, you don't actually need to run at 2500 RPMs.

You can play with the RPMs till you find a balance between noise and speed that you like. At 1000 RPMs it would put out about 8 GPM, which might still be more than your current setup.

 

[WranglerX]

Are you really considering using the curl valve to control log splitter ram.... If so it puts you anywhere from 6 to 10 feet away from "work zone" every time you want to move ram (if ram mounted on 3PH).... The trip is going to get tiresome after a while.... Maybe I am missing something here!

Dale

 

[LouNY]

I think most are assuming that he has a valve on the log splitter,
when ready to split if using the curl function after connecting the hoses and starting the tractor operate the curl valve in the required direction and bungee cord it in place,
go to the splitter and begin splitting using the splitters valve(s)
As long as the splitter valve is an open center valve it will work fine.
When we used our Ford 8000 on a 3 point splitter we plugged into the rear remotes and ran the splitter using its valves and used a bungee to hold the tractors remote in position,
it is a common method of getting hydraulic power to an implement or attachment which has its own valving.

 

[DLinMI]

Most front pump applications on tractors ran at engine speed.
As far as the return where does your loader valve return to,
a tee in there would be the best.

The loader "valve" or spool sits literally on top of the reservoir which is part of the frame.

 

[DLinMI]

While the pump will put out 16 GPM at 2500 RPMs, you don't actually need to run at 2500 RPMs.

You can play with the RPMs till you find a balance between noise and speed that you like. At 1000 RPMs it would put out about 8 GPM, which might still be more than your current setup.

I must be missing something, the loader will raise from ground to full up in 4-5 seconds, currently the splitter takes 20-30 seconds or more to do a full stroke in one direction. I assumed the loader pump would provide a big upgrade in performance?

 

[DLinMI]

Most front pump applications on tractors ran at engine speed.
As far as the return where does your loader valve return to,
a tee in there would be the best.

That's why I was hoping this plug was a tank return port. How can I determine if it is? I can't find any markings on the valve assembly to hint who the manufacturer is, short of unbolting it to examine the underside.

 

[LouNY]

Rig up a tee fitting were your tank fill/Breather is,
could even go high dollar and install a return line filter to help keep the hydraulic fluid clean.
I would expect that you should see considerable better cycle time on your spliter when run at the same rpm you use now.

 

[RickB]

I think most are assuming that he has a valve on the log splitter,
when ready to split if using the curl function after connecting the hoses and starting the tractor operate the curl valve in the required direction and bungee cord it in place,
go to the splitter and begin splitting using the splitters valve(s)
As long as the splitter valve is an open center valve it will work fine.
When we used our Ford 8000 on a 3 point splitter we plugged into the rear remotes and ran the splitter using its valves and used a bungee to hold the tractors remote in position,
it is a common method of getting hydraulic power to an implement or attachment which has its own valving.

Rig up a tee fitting were your tank fill/Breather is,
could even go high dollar and install a return line filter to help keep the hydraulic fluid clean.
I would expect that you should see considerable better cycle time on your spliter when run at the same rpm you use now.

Good info, I agree. The Op wanted inexpensive, this is it.