Cleaning up and taking care of a 4 acre lot

   / Cleaning up and taking care of a 4 acre lot #1  
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Brighton, Michigan
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TYM T574 HCAB
Hello,

New to property maintenance. We currently have a 4 acre lot. Because of all the COVID and the situations, we had put on hold planting grass on our new property. Of course it is now full of weeds. So... needing to till the land and start mowing and cleaning up an extra acre of really tall bushes and whatever unknowns on the path, has made me get into the buying a tractor. Of course I was looking for a tractor that could do it all. The ones that can actually do it all are really small and I believe I will put them through its paces and will simply not be enough.

So... Pricing wise the kubota's are out of the question. I have been looking into the RK24 and the TYM T264. I've decided on the T264 given its extra power for the loaders and attachments. Something I've learned is if you something at 100% duty cycle it will fail a lot sooner than having it at 50% duty cycle. That is pretty obvious.

Apparently I cannot use the loader with the mid mount mower setup as it would require a whole subchassis removal and installation every time i want to switch over. So the question becomes:

Option 1) More expensive
Get a zero turn mower and the tractor (suggestion from the sales man as he tells me the mid mount setup costs almost as much as the zero turn). I don't need the backhoe at this very minute so I am not going to get it right now. But I do need the mower and would love to be able to have the backhoe in the future when the time is right. So... 2 machines, i have to open space to store them both and it becomes a little more cumbersome.
But if i do this i won't have initial work for the tractor so makes this purchase movable to a future date which might not be unwise.

Option 2) get the T264 with mid mount mower and brush hog so i can clean it all up little by little and when i need the backhoe rent it or figure out another solution. Like getting the hoe and doing the conversion whenever i see the anticipation of doing it. Then it becomes a race between the weekly mowing job and the whole conversion which makes me go back into option 1.

I rather have the backhoe as practice makes you proficient and sometimes you waste money on getting it and learning it rather than working it, where as having it, is of course, more convenient.

Thoughts?
 
   / Cleaning up and taking care of a 4 acre lot #2  
Apparently I cannot use the loader with the mid mount mower setup as it would require a whole subchassis removal and installation every time i want to switch over. So the question becomes:

Thoughts?


I don't have that problem. FEL, MMM and BH can all be mounted and used together. And I paid less than red.
 
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Four acres is not much land. What tasks do you project on four acres that require a $5,000 Backhoe?

There are Three Point Hitch and FEL bucket attachments that can sub for a $5,000 Backhoe reasonably well on four acres.
 
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How about a tractor with an FEL, a 3pt brush hog, and a 3pt rear finish mower instead of the mid mount mower?
Rent a small excavator for $300 for a weekend the few times you'll need it.
 
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#5  
Well... Wife wants a pond. I want to build a barn. It will come in handy for those tasks. I have a few tree stomps to get out plus clearing about 1 full acre from trees/debri, etc.
 
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Well, if you want to build a pond, and excavator is more capable than a backhoe. It'll get the dirt moved much more efficiently, faster, and less expensively than a backhoe. Plan everything out and rent a larger excavator.

As for a barn, you can dig a foundation with an excavator in a few hours.

Not trying to talk you out of a backhoe, however, they are hard to justify in price once you add up everything on paper. But if you have the funds, go for it. Would be handy to have on hand when you have the time VS renting.
 
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Also, I've heard it mentioned many times on TBN.... digging a pond is easy. Moving all the spoils is the hard part.
 
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#8  
Well, if you want to build a pond, and excavator is more capable than a backhoe. It'll get the dirt moved much more efficiently, faster, and less expensively than a backhoe. Plan everything out and rent a larger excavator.

As for a barn, you can dig a foundation with an excavator in a few hours.

Not trying to talk you out of a backhoe, however, they are hard to justify in price once you add up everything on paper. But if you have the funds, go for it. Would be handy to have on hand when you have the time VS renting.

Thanks for the suggestion. I think that is the case, i just want to have the option open. I sometimes wonder if all i need is just a 4500$ mower and not a 20k machine.
 
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I like being able to slap a BH on in a matter of minutes and commence to diggin'.
 
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Wife wants a pond. I want a barn. Backhoe will come in handy for those tasks. I have a few tree stumps to get out plus clearing 1 acre from trees/debris, etc.

Per MOSSROAD I would hire an excavator and a dump truck for your tasks. You will save $5,000 on a Backhoe and $2,000 wear and tear on a new, light tractor.

However, if you still want to tackle pond and foundation construction with a light tractor I recommend a Piranha (digging) toothbar for your FEL bucket, loaded rear tractor tires, a heavy Box Blade mounted on your Three Point Hitch and lots of patience. Box Blade must weigh minimum of eighty pounds per foot of width to function as counterbalance to FEL lifts and peel layers of earth which fill the Box Blade.

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We have a 4 acre lot.

Option 1)
Get a zero turn mower and the tractor (suggestion from the sales man as he tells me the mid mount setup costs almost as much as the zero turn).

Thoughts?

How many of your four acres do you foresee mowing regularly with a zero turn mower?

Zero turn mowers have small wheels. Land has to be very smooth to mow rapidly with a zero turn mower.

Do you want to maintain both gas and diesel fuel supplies?
 
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Save yourself a lot of time, money and grief by going to homedepot and renting a SCUT with backhoe for the weekend and go dig your pond.

Before you respond how renting is expensive and a waste of money, just do it. You will thank me later for saving you a whole lot of money buying a SCUT with backhoe attachment and realizing it doesnt do what your dreams think it will do for you. Now go buy a nice old used $3,500 Ford 8N or MF 35 and a 6 foot 3PH finishing mower. Use it for a couple years. THEN go pricing and demoing SCUTs. Sell the 8N for $3500 privately or trade it in.
 
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Save yourself a lot of time, money and grief by going to homedepot and renting a SCUT with backhoe for the weekend and go dig your pond.

Before you respond how renting is expensive and a waste of money, just do it. You will thank me later for saving you a whole lot of money buying a SCUT with backhoe attachment and realizing it doesnt do what your dreams think it will do for you. Now go buy a nice old used $3,500 Ford 8N or MF 35 and a 6 foot 3PH finishing mower. Use it for a couple years. THEN go pricing and demoing SCUTs. Sell the 8N for $3500 privately or trade it in.

I don’t think its stupid to rent. For whatever reason (maybe because my dad had an extendahoe) i feel like i should own one!! Lol
 
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Digging a pond? Just hire real iron for that. The tiny tractor is going to take you forever to work with.

What dealers/brands do you have access to and how far are they each from your property?
 
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#16  
It can take me 2 years to do. Dont care. But if I estimate a pond they will want 50k here. I have rk/tym/bobcat/ls. So far those are the ones i have searched for. A guy wanted $3200 for tilling around 2 acres. Not sure if that is good price or not but nothing else was going to be done and weeds grow fast, throwing away that money in 2 weeks.
 
   / Cleaning up and taking care of a 4 acre lot #17  
A guy wanted $3200 for tilling around 2 acres. Not sure if that is good price or not but nothing else was going to be done and weeds grow fast, throwing away that money in 2 weeks.

For half that, I can rent a truck and trailer, drive up there, do it, drive back and still be money ahead including having spent money for fuel for both the truck and tractor. And you'd see a 125 in person.


I won't, but I could.
 
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How big a pond are you digging? Is it going to be spring fed? if it is spring fed, will you be digging in a spring fed muck hole getting stuck. What will you do with the spoils? Are they going to be used to create a bank around the pond, will they need to be trucked off site?

This is a good opportunity do some investigating. Dig some test holes a little deeper than the depth of your desired pond and monitor the water level as the time progresses this summer in preparation for next year. If you want to dig a 6'deep pond, dig an 8' deep test hole. If the water remains two feet below the surface, talk to a contractor with a real excavator who can reach out into the pond area and scoop out dirt but not actually get into the pond area.
 
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