Burying wire and irrigation lines

[rush389]

I just pulled the trigger on a new 3025e and one of my first projects will be burying the wire for an invisible dog fence. I only need to get an inch or so of dirt on top of the wire.

Also, eventually I would like to run some additional 1 inch irrigation lines to feed a dripper system.

My best guess is that a subsoiler like this is my best bet:

3 Point Subsoiler-Subsoiler Attachment | Agri Supply #7341

Am I on the right track?

 

[3Ts]

It will handle the dog fence wire. I don't know about the 1" irrigation line. It will have to be a poly and not PVC line. Your tractor weighs about 2000# so you're not going to get very deep with the pipe. It takes a lot of weight and some power for anything that moves thru the dirt.

 

[rush389]

It will handle the dog fence wire. I don't know about the 1" irrigation line. It will have to be a poly and not PVC line. Your tractor weighs about 2000# so you're not going to get very deep with the pipe. It takes a lot of weight and some power for anything that moves thru the dirt.

ok thanks. yeah, i was thinking the poly.

 

[i7win7]

You may want a lawn edger for the invisible fence, less destructive to lawn, make a groove and insert wire.
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I think your on the right track for irrigation line, you may need to blow water out at end of season.

 

[aesmith]

I don't know what you guys call it on your side of the pond but our normal underground water pipe, what we call "blue alkathene" is pretty resistant to frost damage. I wouldn't worry at all about laying it where it might freeze, so long as you don't need to used it at that time. In fact the pipework inside our open barn freezes every winter. The only real issue is movement, make sure it won't push or pull a fitting off when the temperature changes.
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[yanmars]

I do not know where you live, the type of soil or how deep you need to bury the 1 inch. I used to work for a company that buried underground hard telephone cable back in the day and that took serious power but we went pretty deep. Can the company advise what HP/weight etc. you would need?

 

[rush389]

for the dog wire, i just want to create a little pocket so it doesn’t get cut by the bush hog. probably going to encircle two acres or so.

for the pipe, i am not too worried about freezing. we have a bunch of that black poly stuff everywhere, i just want to add more. right now we have some drip lines on the hose spigot on the house, and i have to disconnect every time i mow the grass. i just want to run some pipe to tie those drip lines into the rest of our irrigation system.

 

[Carl_NH]

As i7Win said an edger will give you a slot to install the dog fence. You could use the trencher too but too deep it may not be as effective.

If you get the trencher you will need the pipe option too Single Tine Ripper 3-Point Pipelayer Attachment | Agri Supply 73622

It will work reasonably well if you don't have a lot of bony/rocky soil probably get you to 4-6" deep with pipe. Its a two person job.

 

[wheelbuilder]

I used a single bottom plow to put in wire for an invisible fence with my old sears tractor. It dug down 4-5 inches with out too much trouble. Roots were the biggest issue for me. Did the same for my Dad's satellite dish (different tractor and 14 inch plow), but we did have to deepen it some by hand. Around here, low voltage doesn't have a depth requirement, and power needs to be at least a foot. When we were done, we just rolled the furrow back, pretty clean.
I can't speak to pipe, but it's worked out for me with wire.
If you've got tough ground, it may not work as well.

 

[TractorGuy]

Careful where you mount the charger for the dog wire. The wire tends to be a lightening magnet.

I tried the invisible fencing once and didn't have it in the ground two weeks before I had a lightening strike. It blew the controller off the wall in my garage and blew the GFI outlet it was plugged into out of the wall.

 

[wheelbuilder]

Careful where you mount the charger for the dog wire. The wire tends to be a lightening magnet.

I tried the invisible fencing once and didn't have it in the ground two weeks before I had a lightening strike. It blew the controller off the wall in my garage and blew the GFI outlet it was plugged into out of the wall.

Good point about lighting, I had the same issue. I made a disconnect outside for the fence afterwards. Just some weatherproof connectors. I don't like my lightning indoors.

 

[rvds]

I do not know where you live, the type of soil or how deep you need to bury the 1 inch. I used to work for a company that buried underground hard telephone cable back in the day and that took serious power but we went pretty deep. Can the company advise what HP/weight etc. you would need?

I have owned a Taylor Way cat.2 subsoiler for 40 years and installed a cable/pipe layer attachment early on. I bought it with a neighbour so we could pull it with 2 65 hp farm tractors chained together because when pulling a mole for drainage you do not want to have varying depth. When laying cable or tubing it is simply a matter of going around multiple times going deeper every pass until you are where you want to be, then make a final pass with the tubing.
Rob

 

[rush389]

As i7Win said an edger will give you a slot to install the dog fence. You could use the trencher too but too deep it may not be as effective.

If you get the trencher you will need the pipe option too Single Tine Ripper 3-Point Pipelayer Attachment | Agri Supply 73622

It will work reasonably well if you don't have a lot of bony/rocky soil probably get you to 4-6" deep with pipe. Its a two person job.

that is freaking cool! i do not have a second person though. wife’s gotta watch the two year old while i am on the tractor, and i have no friends

 

[rush389]

Careful where you mount the charger for the dog wire. The wire tends to be a lightening magnet.

I tried the invisible fencing once and didn't have it in the ground two weeks before I had a lightening strike. It blew the controller off the wall in my garage and blew the GFI outlet it was plugged into out of the wall.

i run an extension cord from my shop to the edge of my property and have the charger in a trash bag that is ziptied shut. the charger is right underneath some high voltage power lines.

everything is a hack for me right now having two young kids. if i can keep the dog from getting run over using whatever field expedient methods i can think of, that is a win for me.

 

[fried1765]

I just pulled the trigger on a new 3025e and one of my first projects will be burying the wire for an invisible dog fence. I only need to get an inch or so of dirt on top of the wire.

Also, eventually I would like to run some additional 1 inch irrigation lines to feed a dripper system.

My best guess is that a subsoiler like this is my best bet:

3 Point Subsoiler-Subsoiler Attachment | Agri Supply #7341

Am I on the right track?

I hope that you are on the right track, because I am about to buy that exact same subsoiler for the exact same purpose.

 

[rush389]

I hope that you are on the right track, because I am about to buy that exact same subsoiler for the exact same purpose.

Well if I get around to it before you buy, I'll let you know how it goes. I wouldn't hold my breath though, I'm a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest with two little kids and working 6 days a week. My tractor time is probably going to be limited for another year or so.

 

[fried1765]

As i7Win said an edger will give you a slot to install the dog fence. You could use the trencher too but too deep it may not be as effective.

If you get the trencher you will need the pipe option too Single Tine Ripper 3-Point Pipelayer Attachment | Agri Supply 73622

It will work reasonably well if you don't have a lot of bony/rocky soil probably get you to 4-6" deep with pipe. Its a two person job.

You do not need the ($125+ shipping) Agri Supply pipe layer attachment.
You can use a plastic electrical conduit 90 degree bend, with a short extension of straight conduit glued on one end.
To hold it on the shank, I will make 2 - 6" long threaded rod u-bolts, bent to fit around the shank plus the EMT, with the threads giving a good gripping surface on the plastic EMT.

Others have recommended this as an inexpensive alternative to buying the pipe laying attachment.
I will only be using this for 1600 ft. of 14Ga. dog wire.

 

[3Ts]

You do not need the ($125+ shipping) Agri Supply pipe layer attachment.
You can use a plastic electrical conduit 90 degree bend, with a short extension of straight conduit glued on one end.
To hold it on the shank, I will make 2 - 6" long threaded rod u-bolts, bent to fit around the shank plus the EMT, with the threads giving a good gripping surface on the plastic EMT.

Others have recommended this as an inexpensive alternative to buying the pipe laying attachment.
I will only be using this for 1600 ft. of 14Ga. dog wire.

This should work nicely for the 14 gauge wire. I would use 3/4" conduit since that is typically 1" OD and the ripper opens a 1" hole. For a single strand of 14 ga wire, even 1/2" conduit should be enough. If you need something more durable, I'd use the metal EMT conduit. The conduit straight sections are 10' lengths and can be bent so you would not have to buy a 90* sweep. The metal EMT would require a pipe bender which will cost more than a sweep, the PVC conduit can be bent with your wife's hair dryer (among other things).