Corona Virus #6

[goeduck]

The chart would indicate that countries that do not test and do not have confirmed cases to have a lower curve. Why does that make sense to chart?

 

[RSR]

I see them as sensationalistic and attempting to spread drama.

How are data sensationalist? I find it anything but sensationalism, which is precisely why I find it useful. It is very easy to determine the growth rate, and to predict where we are headed based on other countries that are ahead of us in the disease progression.

It's precisely plots like these that made me decide to pull my retirement out of the stock market within 2 days of the all time high. I looked at the data and very clearly saw what had happened in China, what was coming our way, and that the only effective way of controlling it was by social distancing, which had been enforced in China. This meant the same measure were going to likely be implemented here, and that was going to tank the economy.

Ignore data at your own peril.

 

[Diggin It]

Data is only useful when accurate and unbiased.

 

[rswyan]

I see them as sensationalistic and attempting to spread drama.

My purpose here is not minimize the threat (whatever it may be) and provide "happy talk" ...

We have different agendas.

 

[Jim Shooz]

Lotus123

+1 Started very early. Then you could get add-on programs to allow you to print in colour etc.

 

[RSR]

Data is only useful when accurate and unbiased.

Can you specify what in the data is inaccurate or biased?

 

[California]

[re Excel spreadsheets] Lotus123

Yeah. BTDT. Was issued a HP110 laptop with Lotus 123 in ROM. 272k NVRAM total for the spreadsheets and data storage, no external drive. It even had a modem, 300 baud. I've been online ever since.

My wife was issued a Mac desktop around the same time. Before that she briefly was in a team that did paper spreadsheets on desk calculators - and would come home raging when some new orders had changed everything and forced a re-calculation of the whole table. We live in a better world today.

 

[ruffdog]

Covid is found to live on surfaces for 17 days...that is a long time.

CDC: coronavirus survived in Princess Cruise cabins up to 17 days after passengers left

 

[California]

Don't forget that many call centers use what is called a predictive dialer. This is a computer controlled dialer that dials from a list and listens for you to say hello.... I am sorry to say, I hooked up a lot of them...

WE FOUND THE CULPRIT!!!



Were those the ones that dialed several numbers at once? Then everyone but the first to answer, heard silence then a dial tone?

 

[rswyan]

WE FOUND THE CULPRIT!!!



Were those the ones that dialed several numbers at once? Then everyone but the first to answer, heard silence then a dial tone?

LOL ... :thumbsup:

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I see them as sensationalistic and attempting to spread drama.

I find them very informative... this isn't just about you.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

How are data sensationalist? I find it anything but sensationalism, which is precisely why I find it useful. It is very easy to determine the growth rate, and to predict where we are headed based on other countries that are ahead of us in the disease progression.

It's precisely plots like these that made me decide to pull my retirement out of the stock market within 2 days of the all time high. I looked at the data and very clearly saw what had happened in China, what was coming our way, and that the only effective way of controlling it was by social distancing, which had been enforced in China. This meant the same measure were going to likely be implemented here, and that was going to tank the economy.

Ignore data at your own peril.

You must be a Senator... Two senators under scrutiny over selling stock before the coronavirus market crash — but do insider-trading laws apply? - MarketWatch

 

[k0ua]

WE FOUND THE CULPRIT!!!



Were those the ones that dialed several numbers at once? Then everyone but the first to answer, heard silence then a dial tone?

Lots of different brands and different operating systems, but the best ones monitored the human ACD group and just dialed enough to "feed" them continuously. Object was the keep the ACD group busy 100% (or nearly) of the time. of course they were only as good as the software that run them. The owners of the systems said they could often replace 2 or 3 humans out of a larger group. Meaning they didn't have to pay them, and once the systems were paid for, it was all gravy. Oh, I also installed the ACD groups, and set up the reports to be generated from those groups showing agents efficiency and were called in to interpret those reports if there were misunderstandings. The agents didn't particularly like to see me on the premises. Of course I didn't make a dime doing this as I worked for a company and was paid wages no matter if I was installing phones or reading reports for owners. Just a little cog in the big wheel.

 

[California]

Lilly Tomlin commented on that...

 

[shooterdon]

The chart would indicate that countries that do not test and do not have confirmed cases to have a lower curve. Why does that make sense to chart?

That is a problem

I am more interested in the number of deaths. And so far the number is extremely low. Italy is starting to trend down...a good sign.

IMHO, 200k dead in the US is not a big deal. Not worth tanking the economy. Those who want to shelter in place have the freedom to do so. The most vulnerable are the old and most are retired anyway...we can hunker down. But it is too early to get a good feel for how many will die. Yet, that analysis will need to be done. What we have now cannot be sustained.

BTW, over 2,800,000 died in the US last year....thus my comment that adding another 200k dead is not significant

 

[Sodo]

This is not a prediction.
This is happening in Italy now.
.........
The main task we all have now is to slow the spread as much as possible,
with six feet distancing, hand wash, masks,
all these little elements are not full-on safety, but they all add some level of protection, which slows the spread.

The measures buy time.
Time is of the essence.
More time to prepare, more time to free up hospital beds, free up ventilators, train healthcare staff, search for a cure, ,,, all saves lives.
..........
Everyone who does what they can - to slow the spread-to slightly blunt the inevitable overload - will be saving other people's lives.

Everyone who poo-poos our national emergency - and gets other people to go along - will be "adding deaths".

Make no mistake, "they" will be adding deaths ON THIS FORUM.
It's puzzling where this head-in-the-sand attitude comes from.
Is it being taught on a paid-news site?
And by who?

 

[RSR]

You must be a Senator... Two senators under scrutiny over selling stock before the coronavirus market crash — but do insider-trading laws apply? - MarketWatch

Sadly (gladly?), no.

 

[ultrarunner]

What would a good working order Model T be worth nowadays? I bet some bucks...

Wish that was so... 3 turnkey in the garage...

 

[California]

Can you quit with the charts and graphs?

They don't mean a bloomin' thing.

I see them as sensationalistic and attempting to spread drama.

But they do have meaning. This is raw data reported by different countries, so accuracy and credibility will vary. But all the reports say essentially the same thing, that this is a worldwide pandemic that will soon, weeks or months, touch nearly everyone worldwide if it continues to grow at the rates shown in that chart. Frightening, yes. Unnecessary sensationalism and drama, no way. Its real.

Here's the Financial Times article describing the first chart. Perhaps reading the text there is easier to interpret than the chart rswyan posted.

The main point is, this is real. Looking aside isn't going to make the effects less severe. Even if one avoids illness the economic disruption will be impossible to avoid.

 

[two_bit_score]

Don't think they can message legally.

Dang, that's right. I forgot. Those things always stop telemarketers.