Comparison kubota/ kioti specs and experience

[k0ua]

Just so everyone knows, I don't hold any animus against Kubota tractors. My only point was that new guys often make comparisons that are not valid between brands. Yes my L3400 had a "jerky" 3pt like all L3400's have. Yes Kubota makes these tractors to a weight and price point. They are very popular tractors for these reasons. The Regional Kubota rep was actually right when he told me "if you wanted a 3pt like a Grand L you should have bought a Grand L" There is a REASON they make Grand L's and it isn't just "bells and whistles".

Grand L's are their premium line of tractors costing thousands of dollars more than so called "standard" L's. But if you buy a Standard L and think you are somehow getting a better bargain and only missing "bells and whistles" you are fooling yourself. If you are satisfied with a lighter tractor, with a 3pt that is not as smooth as it could be with lift capacities that are not as high, and with not as many features that make hitching up as easy, and without standard SSQA (an option on most), no standard remotes, and made to a price point more in line with your budget, then that is great. Both you are Kubota corporation are satisfied.

As for other emerging brands of tractors like my Kioti and LS etc, these tractors may be made in countries with wages lower than Japan, and also have aggressive marketing campaigns to try to win some market share away from the two big players in the compact tractor market here in North America, John Deere and Kubota. So yes you can buy "more tractor" for "less money" as compared to those two. Of course the dealer network even now is not as near as extensive as Deere and Kubota. Although my local dealer for Kioti is large and has an extensive selection on their lots. My current tractor was sold in the price range of a Standard Kubota L tractor and has features near that of the Grand L series.

One feature missing from my Kioti from a Grand L is the Grand L's excellent HST+ transmission. If you don't know what that is or the features it brings to the table, you can google it or see it in action on you-tube. Again no standard L has a HST+ transmission either. There are trade off's in any tractor buying decision. If you would like to know more of my knowledge of tractors, just ask me! I am willing to share...

 

[nards444]

Just so everyone knows, I don't hold any animus against Kubota tractors. My only point was that new guys often make comparisons that are not valid between brands. Yes my L3400 had a "jerky" 3pt like all L3400's have. Yes Kubota makes these tractors to a weight and price point. They are very popular tractors for these reasons. The Regional Kubota rep was actually right when he told me "if you wanted a 3pt like a Grand L you should have bought a Grand L" There is a REASON they make Grand L's and it isn't just "bells and whistles".

Grand L's are their premium line of tractors costing thousands of dollars more than so called "standard" L's. But if you buy a Standard L and think you are somehow getting a better bargain and only missing "bells and whistles" you are fooling yourself. If you are satisfied with a lighter tractor, with a 3pt that is not as smooth as it could be with lift capacities that are not as high, and with not as many features that make hitching up as easy, and without standard SSQA (an option on most), no standard remotes, and made to a price point more in line with your budget, then that is great. Both you are Kubota corporation are satisfied.

As for other emerging brands of tractors like my Kioti and LS etc, these tractors may be made in countries with wages lower than Japan, and also have aggressive marketing campaigns to try to win some market share away from the two big players in the compact tractor market here in North America, John Deere and Kubota. So yes you can buy "more tractor" for "less money" as compared to those two. Of course the dealer network even now is not as near as extensive as Deere and Kubota. Although my local dealer for Kioti is large and has an extensive selection on their lots. My current tractor was sold in the price range of a Standard Kubota L tractor and has features near that of the Grand L series.

One feature missing from my Kioti from a Grand L is the Grand L's excellent HST+ transmission. If you don't know what that is or the features it brings to the table, you can google it or see it in action on you-tube. Again no standard L has a HST+ transmission either. There are trade off's in any tractor buying decision. If you would like to know more of my knowledge of tractors, just ask me! I am willing to share...

People have this fallacy that something thats been around a while means it better, sometimes yes, sometimes no. I also think people have this dealer fantasy as well, while important its still not the end all be all. Im saying this after buying a Kubota, to be honest if Kioti or TYM had had AC in their cabs for 25hp versions I would have thought hard about it

With that said I will say this about Kioti, TYM and others alike. As a base package and looking at basic specs, they spec very well in comparison to the big boys, and their initial price points are very good considering what you are getting. Now what changes the game some and is some what smoke in mirrors in the off brands is how they advertise pricing and what pricing actually is after you look at financing adding attachments etc. Also on the off brands for TYM example you had to add the step to get into the tractor, telescoping 3 point standard on my 2650 but not the TYM model or the Kioti I was looking at. Again Kioti was very close to be bought by me or a TYM, but once you added everything and looked financing etc the cost to the kubota was much closer than originally thought.

 

[k0ua]

One thing I have noticed is after a brand like Kioti is more firmly established with a larger dealer network and the brand name recognition is higher than the "initial push" into the market, the prices start to creep up relative to the old established brands. Or the pricing stays near the same but the added in "free" equipment level starts to fall off. I got in while the "getting was good" on my Kioti. A great price point with great features.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Better then got out of my truck wife told me she didnt like it and I got back in and bought a kubota, love my kubota. Informative, really was.

So you're an a**hole... I got it. :thumbsup:

 

[Steppenwolfe]

One thing I have noticed is after a brand like Kioti is more firmly established with a larger dealer network and the brand name recognition is higher than the "initial push" into the market, the prices start to creep up relative to the old established brands. Or the pricing stays near the same but the added in "free" equipment level starts to fall off. I got in while the "getting was good" on my Kioti. A great price point with great features.

Interesting point. I sort of did the same with my L3301. I just happened to be driving down the road when I saw it sitting there as the dealer had literally just finished putting it together out of the crate. When I told him I would write him a check that minute the price got dramatically better... They delivered it that afternoon.

 

[nards444]

So you're an a**hole... I got it. :thumbsup:

just saying my 5 year old could have told me something informative then you did. simple minds I guess, simple minds

 

[k0ua]

Interesting point. I sort of did the same with my L3301. I just happened to be driving down the road when I saw it sitting there as the dealer had literally just finished putting it together out of the crate. When I told him I would write him a check that minute the price got dramatically better... They delivered it that afternoon.

Sometimes it is amazing how "money will talk"..

 

[DMax82]

just saying my 5 year old could have told me something informative then you did. simple minds I guess, simple minds

You might want to have your 5 year old proofread your posts for misused and missing words before calling other people simple minded.

 

[murphy1244]

One thing I have noticed is after a brand like Kioti is more firmly established with a larger dealer network and the brand name recognition is higher than the "initial push" into the market, the prices start to creep up relative to the old established brands. Or the pricing stays near the same but the added in "free" equipment level starts to fall off. I got in while the "getting was good" on my Kioti. A great price point with great features.

We did for sure. Standard was rear remote,telescoping arms, cruise,, rear 3 point adjust, electric over hydraulic pto and 4 wheel drive, rubber pad, 2 rear fender handles and 2700 lbs of lift. Man what a beast! I am so happy I talked to James and Island tractor and others before buying!

 

[Beeenvenue]

Bought my first tractor ever this spring, Kioti CK3510 SE hydrostatic. I love it. Drove the Kubota l2501 and l3301 at the dealer and seemed comparable. As an engineer I bought off superior specs vs price (SE features plus 2HP plus all the other items discussed above all for $2k less than plain 3301 hydrostat).

The 3 point is jerky. Yes it is. So what? Pull up 1 point higher than required, deal with the jerkiness, drop it down to the level I want (flow restriction set slow enough that it drops very smoothly). FEL is a bit jerky too, could be operator error.

I probably would have been happy with a 3301 had I not read the specs and the features of a Kioti SE. As a newbie I cannot imagine NOT having telescoping arms, etc.

As for TBN I was steered away from Kioti as a so called new brand. I found out it has been in the US for 30 years or so; from the way most TBN posters talk I was expecting 30 months or so. 30 years is more than I probably have left to worry about.

Finally, I wanted to buy used but could not match features plus warranty plus known new condition for anything I could find used. Part of that was I could not find ANY used kiotis so the comparable Kubotas were then really overpriced - buy a better spec brand new machine for the same price just different shade of orange. So either kiotis have sold almost Zero machines in north Texas (highly unlikely since I know several owners and went partially by their recommendations) or Kioti owners keep them forever

 

[DK35vince]

All I can add is I bought my Kioti DK 35 w/KL 1450 loader new in 2001.
I just felt the quality/fit and finish was right on par with the other tractors I was looking at, at that time (other runners up were the John Deere 4400 and Kubota L 3410)
But had a lot more standard features . (foldable ROPS, mid PTO, draft control, rear remotes, extendable lower link arms , extendable sway bars, rubber floor mats, tilt steering, Etc.)
$16,995 which also included the SSQA and heavy duty bucket (which was an option at the time)
After 18 years and 2200+ hours I have never regretted that decision and would purchase the same tractor if I had to do it all over again.
It has been an excellent/reliable tractor for me.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

All I can add is I bought my Kioti DK 35 w/KL 1450 loader new in 2001.
I just felt the quality/fit and finish was right on par with the other tractors I was looking at, at that time (other runners up were the John Deere 4400 and Kubota L 3410)
But had a lot more standard features . (foldable ROPS, mid PTO, draft control, rear remotes, extendable lower link arms , extendable sway bars, rubber floor mats, tilt steering, Etc.)
$16,995 which also included the SSQA and heavy duty bucket (which was an option at the time)
After 18 years and 2200+ hours I have never regretted that decision and would purchase the same tractor if I had to do it all over again.
It has been an excellent/reliable tractor for me.

I will agree with you on the "standard equipment" offered as actually being part of the tractor. I don't understand why Kubota can't or won't do that on their Standard L's. I asked for the extendable lower link arms for my 3301; the dealer said it was virtually impossible and cost would be ridiculous. It wasn't a deal breaker for me, but I can see how it might be for someone else.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Just so everyone knows, I don't hold any animus against Kubota tractors. My only point was that new guys often make comparisons that are not valid between brands. Yes my L3400 had a "jerky" 3pt like all L3400's have. Yes Kubota makes these tractors to a weight and price point. They are very popular tractors for these reasons. The Regional Kubota rep was actually right when he told me "if you wanted a 3pt like a Grand L you should have bought a Grand L" There is a REASON they make Grand L's and it isn't just "bells and whistles".

Grand L's are their premium line of tractors costing thousands of dollars more than so called "standard" L's. But if you buy a Standard L and think you are somehow getting a better bargain and only missing "bells and whistles" you are fooling yourself. If you are satisfied with a lighter tractor, with a 3pt that is not as smooth as it could be with lift capacities that are not as high, and with not as many features that make hitching up as easy, and without standard SSQA (an option on most), no standard remotes, and made to a price point more in line with your budget, then that is great. Both you are Kubota corporation are satisfied.

As for other emerging brands of tractors like my Kioti and LS etc, these tractors may be made in countries with wages lower than Japan, and also have aggressive marketing campaigns to try to win some market share away from the two big players in the compact tractor market here in North America, John Deere and Kubota. So yes you can buy "more tractor" for "less money" as compared to those two. Of course the dealer network even now is not as near as extensive as Deere and Kubota. Although my local dealer for Kioti is large and has an extensive selection on their lots. My current tractor was sold in the price range of a Standard Kubota L tractor and has features near that of the Grand L series.

One feature missing from my Kioti from a Grand L is the Grand L's excellent HST+ transmission. If you don't know what that is or the features it brings to the table, you can google it or see it in action on you-tube. Again no standard L has a HST+ transmission either. There are trade off's in any tractor buying decision. If you would like to know more of my knowledge of tractors, just ask me! I am willing to share...

You and I have had this conversation before James. I went with the MX and L strictly for the gear drive option. I sold my B2320 HST last summer because I just hated that tranny...

 

[Steppenwolfe]

just saying my 5 year old could have told me something informative then you did. simple minds I guess, simple minds

I'd forget about me and concentrate on teaching your 5 year old correct grammar... Looks like he will need it. :confused3:

 

[Dranrab]

I'd forget about me and concentrate on teaching your 5 year old correct grammar... Looks like he will need it. :confused3:

Do you think he'll be able to teach his kid how to use a comma in a sentence with independent clauses? What about appropriate use of an ellipsis?

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Do you think he'll be able to teach his kid how to use a comma in a sentence with independent clauses? What about appropriate use of an ellipsis?

:rotfl: I give, I know when I'm busted... Or do I ??? :cool2:

 

[MechanicalGuy]

OOOOKAAAY. Speaking of things I don't know huh?.. Your just digging a hole deeper my friend. See the spec sheet below. By the way the 3pt knob right under you seat has NOTHING to do with making the 3pt lift smoothly. It is the drop rate control that allows fluid from your 3pt. cylinder to drain back into your "tank" which is the transmission cavity of your tractor. When I spoke of the Standard L Jerky hitch I was referring to the MLS valve of the 3 point itself NOT the drop rate control which is nothing more than a bleed valve. Your 3pt drops TOTALLY under the influence of gravity and nothing else. All you are doing when you are adjusting that valve is adjusting the rate that the fluid drains, or if you turn it all the way to the right it totally blocks the flow of the fluid. This is useful for transporting a heavy implement on a bumpy road with less stress on the 3pt.

I DID NOT make the comment directed to MR WOLFE about brain rot. I am innocent I tell ya.

AS the highlighted text shows. below the TOTAL flow of the Hydraulic implement pump. However like almost all of the rest of them it is divided into two sections. One section is dedicated to the power steering which is just over 5 GPM and the second sections flows first to the loader and then out the power beyond connector to the remotes (OF WHICH ALL of the DK series is by default equipped with one, which is another benefit of a Kioti and a KUBOTA Standard L is equipped with ZERO by default) and then on to the 3pt. The DK35se (my tractor) is just slightly under 10 GPM, which compares to the about 6GPM for the L3400 Kubota it replaces. Almost ALL compact tractors work this way,

I Don't know why anyone would want to argue about the Kubota I had and the Kioti I have now. There is NO question about the FACTS I stated about the Kioti having more fluid flow, more weight, heavier axles and many many more features for about the same money as a Standard L tractor. (I gave $19,200 including the sun shade) These are just facts they are not debatable. HOWEVER as I pointed out in my first post, we are comparing apples and oranges here. Or oranges and oranges . The Standard L tractors even though the horsepower is comparable, the Kioti is built more like the GRAND L series of tractors and do not directly compete against Standard L tractors. They compete in SOME peoples minds that create spreadsheets and lists. The WHOLE point of my post was to say that these list's that newbys create DO NOT tell the whole story. MANY things are missed or not understood. For example in comparing loaders. etc. Most Newbs don't understand the importance of telescoping lower links and sway bars either until they have cussed and hooked up their implements a few times. I DIDN'T either. This is my 5th tractor. I have made some "dumbazz" tractor choices in the past.

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Digging my hole deeper? You must have delusions of grandeur. You're the one digging a hole by saying a spped control has nothing to do with smoothness. That's literally what it's for, to allow your heavy implements to drop down slowly and smoothly if desired. Do you know anything at all about hydraulics? There are flow controls, there are no "smoothness" controls. Flow controls are what control the rate or speed and thus the smoothness of the motion. You're welcome.

About that pump capacity, does that include power steering also? Or is that separate? Do you know?

 

[Beeenvenue]

Take the disparaging remarks elsewhere. This is supposed to be an informative discussion. I have learned a ton from TBN but having to wade through internet warrior diatribes makes it much more difficult to find answers, facts, and (relevant) opinions.

 

[DK35vince]

About that pump capacity, does that include power steering also? Or is that separate? Do you know?

Wasn't that answered in the post you quoted ?

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Digging my hole deeper? You must have delusions of grandeur. You're the one digging a hole by saying a spped control has nothing to do with smoothness. That's literally what it's for, to allow your heavy implements to drop down slowly and smoothly if desired. Do you know anything at all about hydraulics? There are flow controls, there are no "smoothness" controls. Flow controls are what control the rate or speed and thus the smoothness of the motion. You're welcome.

About that pump capacity, does that include power steering also? Or is that separate? Do you know?

Dude... come on. This is a help forum, not your mechanic's garage. No charge means the advice is worth what you pay for it. James is a good guy with a ton of knowledge that he is gracious enough to share with the rest of us, and thankfully so. You are out of line.