abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

[mcfarmall]

Haven't been on the forum for a few days but remember the OP title...was that Casino or Convenience Store abrogator?

 

[Scrambler82]

I was going to post a very meaningful statement here, took me four tries to get words on the screen that DIDN'T offend SOMEONE, I gave up and instead, I can only say, "If you do not like someones post or the Title OFFENDS you, for your sake or someone else's, DO NOT READ IT, OR POST IN IT" !

SIMPLE ! This Site is not Political or Racist in anyway !

Now I am going find a spot and throw-up, the world it is a changing but IMHO... Not for the BETTER, and I for one am getting sick of it !

Oh ya, I was thinking about getting a Post Driver, is that OK to post here ?!?

 

[TractorGuy]

If you ask me to bid a job for you and we agree on a price, it's non of your business how much material I order, have delivered, and haul away. You agreed to a price. If I had extra material written into the bid maybe you should have shopped around. Nothing unlawful or deceptive about that in any manner.

REALLY? If you provide a bid to someone that includes extra material you intend haul away and use on another property that would be FRAUD! Unless you clearly state you are buying and taking extra material as part of your compensation up front you are stealing material paid for by your client.

 

[two_bit_score]

REALLY? If you provide a bid to someone that includes extra material you intend haul away and use on another property that would be FRAUD! Unless you clearly state you are buying and taking extra material as part of your compensation up front you are stealing material paid for by your client.

Not really. Under the terms of the PC police in this thread you as the customer would have abrogated the right to the materials.



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[goeduck]

REALLY? If you provide a bid to someone that includes extra material you intend haul away and use on another property that would be FRAUD! Unless you clearly state you are buying and taking extra material as part of your compensation up front you are stealing material paid for by your client.

Ovrszd is correct, he would have included a contingency in case his material estimate was short. That is normal, but let me point something out if you think he is wrong. If he had estimated short and needed MORE, most people would not offer to pay him addditional over his quoted price. So it cuts both ways and that is part of the way contracting works. A quote is a quote unless there are stipulations stating an estimated quantity and anything +/- would be adjusted on the final price at a quoted rate.

 

[aczlan]

REALLY? If you provide a bid to someone that includes extra material you intend haul away and use on another property that would be FRAUD! Unless you clearly state you are buying and taking extra material as part of your compensation up front you are stealing material paid for by your client.

I have no idea what my contractors arrangements with their suppliers are. Perhaps they are dropping off materials for two jobs at a my place and charging them separately. Perhaps there is a price break to where it is the same price to order 15 pieces as there is to order 20.
Either way, I generally get a couple of quotes and I go with whichever contractor will do a good job for the best price.
If they order material for another job along with my materials, it's none of my business who paid for them as long as the supplier was paid (so that they don't file a lein) and the contractor only charges me the quoted price.

Aaron Z

 

[ovrszd]

I was going to post a very meaningful statement here, took me four tries to get words on the screen that DIDN'T offend SOMEONE, I gave up and instead, I can only say, "If you do not like someones post or the Title OFFENDS you, for your sake or someone else's, DO NOT READ IT, OR POST IN IT" !

SIMPLE ! This Site is not Political or Racist in anyway !

Now I am going find a spot and throw-up, the world it is a changing but IMHO... Not for the BETTER, and I for one am getting sick of it !

Oh ya, I was thinking about getting a Post Driver, is that OK to post here ?!?

How dare you talk about Post Drivers in this thread!!!!

 

[ovrszd]

REALLY? If you provide a bid to someone that includes extra material you intend haul away and use on another property that would be FRAUD! Unless you clearly state you are buying and taking extra material as part of your compensation up front you are stealing material paid for by your client.

Yes, really. Look up the definition of "bid". Again, it's non of your business how much material I buy or use. You agreed to have a specific job completed to specific standards. It's non of your business whether I use 12 2/x4s or 13 2x4s. And it's certainly non of your business what I do with any leftover materials. If you want it to be your business then you should have just had me bid labor and you take care of materials.

My HVAC guy and gutter guy bid my jobs. They both showed up with wayyyyy more material than needed. Am I to assume they ripped me off and committed fraud??? REALLY?

 

[ovrszd]

Not really. Under the terms of the PC police in this thread you as the customer would have abrogated the right to the materials. .

You successfully and correctly used abrogated in a sentence!!!!!

 

[ovrszd]

Ovrszd is correct, he would have included a contingency in case his material estimate was short. That is normal, but let me point something out if you think he is wrong. If he had estimated short and needed MORE, most people would not offer to pay him addditional over his quoted price. So it cuts both ways and that is part of the way contracting works. A quote is a quote unless there are stipulations stating an estimated quantity and anything +/- would be adjusted on the final price at a quoted rate.

If you require a bid from a contractor you can immediately assume and accept that 10% has been added to the cost. I'd rather hire a contractor that I know and trust, forget the bid, saved me a LOT of money over the past year.

Here's an example. Well,,, two.

Bought my building materials thru a local supplier. He gave me a written cost estimate for materials for a guideline. As the house build progressed and we were ready for sheathing I looked at the cost estimate. I compared the price to Menard's price in the city. I could save $5 per sheet. The builder said you might mention this to the local guy but don't expect him to budge. He doesn't move enough sheathing to compete. I mentioned it. The supplier adjusted his price and sold to me matching Menards. Would he have done that if I had demanded he "bid" the material???

My builder was ready for studs. He had the supplier deliver 200 more studs than needed. He then sorted thru the studs using only the best. Sent back all the culls. Would he have done that if I had him confined to a "bid" where any extra time spent is a loss to him?

I'm very Blessed to live in a community that communicates. I selected my contractors based on local word of mouth opinions. No bids needed.

 

[CobyRupert]

I wish whoever changed the title had kept their cotton picking hands off it.
.....sorry, like Indian Giver, that was another phrase I grew up with and never thought 2 cents about....until I thought about it...

 

[tjkubota93]

I wish whoever changed the title had kept their cotton picking hands off it.
.....sorry, like Indian Giver, that was another phrase I grew up with and never thought 2 cents about....until I thought about it...

Oh boy. Both were common when I was growing up. Another is _ _ _ ing someone down on a price. All 3 are considered unacceptable now. Like you, never thought about it when I was younger. I guess it was a case of "monkey see, monkey do" or "monkey hear, monkey say". Is that offensive to monkeys?

 

[4570Man]

REALLY? If you provide a bid to someone that includes extra material you intend haul away and use on another property that would be FRAUD! Unless you clearly state you are buying and taking extra material as part of your compensation up front you are stealing material paid for by your client.

Um no. He says he’ll build your barn for $50,000 materials included and he builds the barn and you pay him $50,000. Where’s the fraud? He didn’t say he was going to build your barn and leave a stack of materials for $50,000.

 

[CobyRupert]

abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

Oh boy. Both were common when I was growing up. Another is _ _ _ ing someone down on a price. All 3 are considered unacceptable now. Like you, never thought about it when I was younger. I guess it was a case of "monkey see, monkey do" or "monkey hear, monkey say". Is that offensive to monkeys?

Yes, thinking about other people’s perspective is a good thing, despite being subjected to occasional ridiculous sensitivities.

Regarding the negotiating term. Reminds me of a friend who went to court to seek damages to his car. He wanted blue book value. Judge asked him what did he pay for car, which was less than blue book. Friend tells judge: “Shouldn’t I get market value of car and not be penalized just because I *#$ed the seller down and got a good price?”
Then he looked at the judges nameplate. Don’t remember the judge’s last name, but it might of ended in ‘stein or ‘berg. Oops.

 

[Diggin It]

Um no. He says he値l build your barn for $50,000 materials included and he builds the barn and you pay him $50,000. Where痴 the fraud? He didn稚 say he was going to build your barn and leave a stack of materials for $50,000.

You know, that could be about saving on delivery fees too. Instead of having 100 items delivered to Job A and 100 items delivered to Job B, maybe they have all 200 items for both jobs delivered to Job A and carry half of it to Job B so they don't have to pay a second delivery fee. That doesn't mean Customer A is paying anything extra though.

 

[4570Man]

In my area the delivery is absorbed in the material cost and you wouldn’t save any money or likely loose money doing that. Locally lumber gets delivered free. Blocks get delivered for $25 if the quality is enough. The same place that sells lumber also delivers windows and trim for free. Purposely having more delivered is just a waste of your labor and equipment to move it again. Not to mention it looks bad even if it wasn’t anything shady.

 

[two_bit_score]

You successfully and correctly used abrogated in a sentence!!!!!

I don’t think it’s the best word for the title of this thread. But I guess goeduck got Moss on the ropes and he just gave up.

 

[the old grind]

I wish whoever changed the title had kept their cotton picking hands off it.
.....sorry, like Indian Giver, that was another phrase I grew up with and never thought 2 cents about....until I thought about it...

.... Yes, thinking about other people痴 perspective is a good thing, despite being subjected to occasional ridiculous sensitivities. ...

Oh boy. Both were common when I was growing up. ... Like you, never thought about it when I was younger. I guess it was a case of "monkey see, monkey do" or "monkey hear, monkey say"...

We remember those old sayings. Have we said either in decades though?

... I guess goeduck got Moss on the ropes and he just gave up.

Please not on Moss. I wouldn't want his role & responsibility (to us all) ..

btw, seems like not many brick & nail counters are jumping into this topic.

 

[ovrszd]

Um no. He says he’ll build your barn for $50,000 materials included and he builds the barn and you pay him $50,000. Where’s the fraud? He didn’t say he was going to build your barn and leave a stack of materials for $50,000.

Yep. Nothing wrong at all.

 

[MossRoad]

I don’t think it’s the best word for the title of this thread. But I guess goeduck got Moss on the ropes and he just gave up.

Well, it goes like this. I was always told growing up that the phrase was directed at the europeans and U.S. government for not keeping their word to the native Americans. Yesterday, it was pointed out that while that may be the case, historically, the phrase was used by europeans that didn't understand the native Americans custom of giving a gift and expecting one in return. Google it up. There's a ton of reading. Then I started reading how native Americans feel about the phrase, and it was generally considered derogatory by them. So there you go. It's generally offensive even though I'm sure no one here would use it in that manner. It's just one of those phrases that should fade away. Then I started looking up synonyms for that phrase. There aren't any direct replacement phrases. I found abrogate came up several times in conversations about replacements for that phrase. I've never heard it used in my life, so I figured I'd put it out there just to make some folks look up what the heck is that word???

However, looking further, if it were me, I'd just use renege. The guy reneged on the deal (although it isn't real clear if he even remembered he made the offer to the O.P.). And good grief, don't go off on me about the possible misinterpretation of that word.

Please continue the original discussion, thanks.