Driverless Cars

/ Driverless Cars #281  
What happens when I get into a driverless car & don't know where I want to go?


if being chased?
Total Recall Johnny Cab - YouTube

:laughing: sorry couldn't resist

Actually once full autonomy is proven it will likely have a (surprise) me mode like google.
nice park with restaurants close?


not sure if johnny cab or this had been posted before but it was fun to watch

- a look into the GM Firebird (future) of self driving cars

even in 1956 cell towers/nav had been thought out.

From 1956: A future vision of driverless cars - YouTube
 
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#282  
Creating more pablum, for AI to eat....

China Is Achieving AI Dominance by Relying on Young Blue-Collar Workers - Motherboard

AI is a focus for China.

Arguably, they have the best facial recognition AI in the world today.

Us oldsters note the progression of total surveillance in the West today, and grumble about it publicly. China has a big advantage in rolling out things like facial recognition 24x7x365..... even quietly questioning the practice there could be fatal.

Rgds, D.
 
/ Driverless Cars #283  
Am I the only one here who finds all this (as well as the increasingly present street cams) a little too "1984" for their taste? Of course it's only to "protect" us. :censored:
Personally, I find a lot of the increasingly mandated "safety" equipment in cars in general (automatic braking, lane change alerts, telematics that "phone home", etc.) rather intrusive and "big brotherish" as well. How much longer before your telematics-equipped car contacts the DMV every time you exceed the speed limit, pass on a solid line or run a stop sign so they can ticket you for that too?




OK, we get it. You like this technology. Each to their own. I happen to enjoy driving, and dread the day that this privilege will be essentially taken away. I'm in my late 60s, hopefully I won't be around to see it.

I *LIKE* technology that makes things safer, e.g. anti lock brakes, cruise control that will slow the vehicle down if/when it gets too close to the vehicle in front (i.e. maintains safe spacing/speed relationship), etc.
I used to say I LIKED the idea of totally autonomous vehicles ...because everyone ELSE needed them (joke)
Well, it would be "nice" if there was a lot less lane wander and I wouldn't be totally AGAINST the idea of vehicles automatically ratting out their drivers for going WAY over the speed limit - or crazy crossing the double line for that matter.
I really DON'T want to be the victim in someone else's accident again - been there, suffered that, etc.


If you DISLIKE things like this try strolling down the aisles in Walmart and watch the camera/monitor sets as they "see" you.
spooky ? not yet...

Turn into the guns and ammo aisle - same/similar, except now a little sub-title bar pops up to say "Facial recognition in progress"
Now, I have nothing to fear ANYWAY, but I have to believe that they;
a) Now know that I walked down that aisle
b) Have similar cameras at checkout - and can therefore link pictures of me from the G&A aisle to my credit card or ApplePay account and identify me positively as a "gun nut" (BTW, I am NOT).

It was more than a bit spooky when I was just on my way to the kids BMX bikes.
 
/ Driverless Cars #284  
Our kids are 21 and assume tracking our ever is just a fact of life going forward. 3 of us use Omni360 full time. If I ever forget the way home they can just come and get me. :)
 
/ Driverless Cars #285  
Our kids are 21 and assume tracking our ever is just a fact of life going forward. 3 of us use Omni360 full time. If I ever forget the way home they can just come and get me. :)

I don't know what's scarier...that tracking is becoming more and more prevalent, or that a whole generation of young adults doesn't think it's a big deal.
BTW, what's Omni360? I Googled it and all I got was some sort of harness to carry a baby around. :confused:
 
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#286  
A movie I watched recently finished up with a great line.....

"It's not that I have Something to Hide, it's that I have Nothing that I want You to See".

I too fear that younger generations don't make that distinction....

Rgds, D.
 
/ Driverless Cars #288  
And this is what we can expect more of for our future - prof fate. George Orwell got it right 35 years ago.
 
/ Driverless Cars #289  
I don't know what's scarier...that tracking is becoming more and more prevalent, or that a whole generation of young adults doesn't think it's a big deal.
BTW, what's Omni360? I Googled it and all I got was some sort of harness to carry a baby around. :confused:

Sorry it's Life360.

Don't all vehicles of late havr a black box tracking info as well as any cell phone?

Maybe the kids are just embracing reality while we are in denial.
 
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#290  
Red Pill, or Blue Pill.....

Maybe it is easier, if you don't know there is a choice.....

Rgds, D.
 
/ Driverless Cars #291  
possibility..i've not seen in the news.

Your GM car has onstar, your phone of course tracks everything. You go to the same bar, or restaurant, or club meeting or bowling league, or walmart every week about the same time. No bid deal.

Unless maybe there is also someone there on a Watch List...now your location and their's overlap often...perhaps now YOU are on a watch list...
 
/ Driverless Cars #292  
And this is what we can expect more of for our future - prof fate. George Orwell got it right 35 years ago.


I think he wrote that around 1949 as a PREDICTION of what the future would hold 35 years in his (then) future.
So, nearly 70 years ago from our "now" time.

BICBW
 
/ Driverless Cars #293  
possibility..i've not seen in the news.

Your GM car has onstar, your phone of course tracks everything. You go to the same bar, or restaurant, or club meeting or bowling league, or walmart every week about the same time. No bid deal.

Unless maybe there is also someone there on a Watch List...now your location and their's overlap often...perhaps now YOU are on a watch list...

The one or two overlaps aren't an issue, even with small to moderate sized data sets, less so with large or what is now being fashionably called big data.
They may trigger searches for other overlaps and if an unusually strong association is found - well now, what have we here ?
If no contra indications, sure they should look at you (or me) a little harder.
I don't have a probelm with that and I don't think any of us should.

It isn't THAT different from the beat cop knowing where we hang out and who we hang there with - and putting that together with who THEY hang out with.
Just MORE info that is better correlated.
I see it largely as better chances of crime PREVENTION.
 
/ Driverless Cars #294  
The one or two overlaps aren't an issue, even with small to moderate sized data sets, less so with large or what is now being fashionably called big data.
They may trigger searches for other overlaps and if an unusually strong association is found - well now, what have we here ?
If no contra indications, sure they should look at you (or me) a little harder.
I don't have a probelm with that and I don't think any of us should.

It isn't THAT different from the beat cop knowing where we hang out and who we hang there with - and putting that together with who THEY hang out with.
Just MORE info that is better correlated.
I see it largely as better chances of crime PREVENTION.

Oh my god, no wonder big brotherism is growing and thriving.
I have so much more that I want to say but it's hard to put it in words and thoughts
that belong on this forum especially on a thread for driverless cars.
 
/ Driverless Cars #295  
Oh my god, no wonder big brotherism is growing and thriving.
I have so much more that I want to say but it's hard to put it in words and thoughts
that belong on this forum especially on a thread for driverless cars.

Go ahead, say it.
 
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#297  
possibility..i've not seen in the news.

Your GM car has onstar, your phone of course tracks everything. You go to the same bar, or restaurant, or club meeting or bowling league, or walmart every week about the same time. No bid deal.

Unless maybe there is also someone there on a Watch List...now your location and their's overlap often...perhaps now YOU are on a watch list...

Harvesting data is one thing. Making intelligent and appropriate use of it is another.....

Let's take some real-world examples, that don't have much (if anything) to do with today's level of automated data surveillance.....

Given the ongoing drug problems in BC, RCMP execute many No-Knock entry warrants every year. The # of times they kick down the wrong door is in the thousands. Many times, it's just something as simple as confusion over a civic address.....

Photo-radar was tried here a very long time ago. The real reason it got cancelled was that politicians kept getting photographed in cars, in the company of people that they never should be seen with....... if the problem was solely public outrage over automated tickets (that went to the owner of the vehicle, not the driver), then we'd still have it.

Governments (and today's corporations) have demonstrated little competence in securing and protecting people's data...... setting aside my views on personal privacy for the moment, just the issue of handling the data competently is what concerns me.

That ^ issue is bad enough..... w/o even straying over to the "Tinfoil-Hat" territory of data being faked.

IMO, even if you fall into the (default Marketing Demographic) Nothing to Hide category that most people do, you should be concerned. Otherwise, you are assuming a level of competence and accountability that often isn't present.

Rgds, D.
 
/ Driverless Cars #300  
I think the first step will be to equip all vehicles with a "transponder" that would broadcast their position, speed, braking, acceleration etc to vehicles around so they could coordinate their action. In example the vehicles would coordinate their speed during heavy traffic resulting in closer spacing and higher speed. Just recently I rented a Toyota Rav4. I caught up with another car and wanted to pass but I couldn't get close enough to it no matter how hard I pressed on the gas pedal. It took me for a while to figure out what was going on. Then I turned the radar off.
 

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