MESSMAKER
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Not sure what I need or how to mount. I guess It would need to be portable so I can pull in both directions. I am looking to avoid that once a year wrecker call that usually takes a couple hours and cost about $150.
Looking for a winch for my tractor
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BIKER BOB
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Not sure what youre looking for but I got an Igland winch that mounts on the 3 pt hitch. It is capable of pulling about 8000 #, which is enough to pull my 3215 out of most tricky spots that I have been in. I like to keep it on in the winter for weight (580 #) or if I find myself stuck!
You really aren't very clear about what you are looking for. Are you pulling your tractor out, other vehicles, or ????
Like Bob I have a 3pth winch that I use for pulling trees and the occasional small building. From your comment though I wonder if you are looking for something more like a Lewis winch, which is powered by your chainsaw.https://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-L...5TTAZAMAZZK&psc=1&refRID=PWCKP6W3R5TTAZAMAZZK
Like Bob I have a 3pth winch that I use for pulling trees and the occasional small building. From your comment though I wonder if you are looking for something more like a Lewis winch, which is powered by your chainsaw.https://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-L...5TTAZAMAZZK&psc=1&refRID=PWCKP6W3R5TTAZAMAZZK
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MESSMAKER
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Looking to use it when needed. Do I mount it on the truck or tractor.I am thinking about a hitch mount. Do I go with electric or manual winch? I usually only need to move the tractor a few feet to get back on solid ground.
WranglerX
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Some winch mount system consist of a plate to mount winch on and a welded on insert that fits in a receiver just like for trailer ball insert... You could do something like that and you could have "receivers" on front and back of tractor (3PH) or truck and long enough cable to clamp onto battery (or plug in wiring on each vehicle) ....
Limitation would be how robust the receiver mounts are and how much battery power of vehicle winch is mounted on...
Some of the hitch companies (Curt?) even make front mounts for below bumpers for popular PU trucks...
Things to consider is combination of winch mountings, winch size, how winch will be powered.... Some winches are hydraulic and can be run with something as simple as power steering pump, but it sort of requires stationary mount on vehicle....
I winch with a 10,000 pound pull electric winch mounted on a 4,500 pound Jeep and can slide the Jeep across the ground, I know over kill for size of Jeep... But If I have to I can dead man Jeep to another vehicle to tree or ???, also I run the biggest Odyssey AGM CCA battery that will fit in battery holder, and the 100 amp alternator in the Jeep came with is a wimp....
Dale
Limitation would be how robust the receiver mounts are and how much battery power of vehicle winch is mounted on...
Some of the hitch companies (Curt?) even make front mounts for below bumpers for popular PU trucks...
Things to consider is combination of winch mountings, winch size, how winch will be powered.... Some winches are hydraulic and can be run with something as simple as power steering pump, but it sort of requires stationary mount on vehicle....
I winch with a 10,000 pound pull electric winch mounted on a 4,500 pound Jeep and can slide the Jeep across the ground, I know over kill for size of Jeep... But If I have to I can dead man Jeep to another vehicle to tree or ???, also I run the biggest Odyssey AGM CCA battery that will fit in battery holder, and the 100 amp alternator in the Jeep came with is a wimp....
Dale
oosik
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A couple of thoughts - - I've been winching vehicles for over 50 years. Seen/used electric, PTO & hydraulic versions. PTO & hydraulic versions can be somewhat complicated, requires a dedicated position, shafts, levers etc. Great for a vehicle where a permanent mount will not impede the primary use of the vehicle. Also great where EXTREME pulling power is required. With the advent of modern electric winches - this is generally speaking the choice for the homeowner/adventurer.
Your tractor - my tractor is stuck. Do we want to go back home, where our winch waits and bring it back to our stuck tractor. Will we have access to the attachment point on our stuck tractor. I've dove down into four feet of glacial river water to reach the hook on an electric winch. Release the brake - grab the hook - surface and not drown. Its a VERY awakening experience. Then casually stroll across the 75 feet of glacial stream and attach to an anchor point on the far bank. All is part of adventuring in the last frontier.
If you will be using a winch to pull your tractor "out" - I would recommend a trailer hitch mount electric winch for your pickup. Maybe even a permanent mount on the front of the pickup.
FYI - Average use of an electric winch can eat a battery like a kid eats a candy cane. There is no alternator on the face of this earth that will mount in a vehicle and keep up with the electric demands when this winch is under full pull. An 8000 pound electric winch can/will demand 750 amps under full pull. Unless you have installed special wires on the battery/alternator - the sheathing on your OEM wiring will liquify under heavy load.
Any reputable winch manufacturer - such as Warn - will specify their use. Time of power on - required amps based upon load - wire gage sizes - alternator capacities - etc.
Then to top it all off - a winch is only as good as its anchor point. If my tractor were in mud up to its axles - there is no way my pickup would pull it out. I would end up - slowly - pulling the pickup toward the stuck tractor. So I chain my pickup to a nearby pine tree. If I'm lucky - this will work and the tractor will come out of the mud. If I'm unlucky - the tractor will not budge - the winch stalls out - the wiring in my pickup incinerates - my alternator fries - the winch line breaks - the pine tree is pull over and crashes into my pickup OR either the rear attachment point on the pickup is pulled off OR the front winch and mount are pulled off the pickup.
Get a trailer hitch mount electric winch for use on your pickup. BUT - the go out on you property, identify those areas where you might get stuck, identify suitable anchor points - try to stay out of identified areas when muddy. Avoidance if far better than recovery.
Electric is superior to all other types in one way. It will still function even if the engine on the recovery vehicle can not run. It will run off the battery for a short while - that could be just what is needed to recover the vehicle.
Your tractor - my tractor is stuck. Do we want to go back home, where our winch waits and bring it back to our stuck tractor. Will we have access to the attachment point on our stuck tractor. I've dove down into four feet of glacial river water to reach the hook on an electric winch. Release the brake - grab the hook - surface and not drown. Its a VERY awakening experience. Then casually stroll across the 75 feet of glacial stream and attach to an anchor point on the far bank. All is part of adventuring in the last frontier.
If you will be using a winch to pull your tractor "out" - I would recommend a trailer hitch mount electric winch for your pickup. Maybe even a permanent mount on the front of the pickup.
FYI - Average use of an electric winch can eat a battery like a kid eats a candy cane. There is no alternator on the face of this earth that will mount in a vehicle and keep up with the electric demands when this winch is under full pull. An 8000 pound electric winch can/will demand 750 amps under full pull. Unless you have installed special wires on the battery/alternator - the sheathing on your OEM wiring will liquify under heavy load.
Any reputable winch manufacturer - such as Warn - will specify their use. Time of power on - required amps based upon load - wire gage sizes - alternator capacities - etc.
Then to top it all off - a winch is only as good as its anchor point. If my tractor were in mud up to its axles - there is no way my pickup would pull it out. I would end up - slowly - pulling the pickup toward the stuck tractor. So I chain my pickup to a nearby pine tree. If I'm lucky - this will work and the tractor will come out of the mud. If I'm unlucky - the tractor will not budge - the winch stalls out - the wiring in my pickup incinerates - my alternator fries - the winch line breaks - the pine tree is pull over and crashes into my pickup OR either the rear attachment point on the pickup is pulled off OR the front winch and mount are pulled off the pickup.
Get a trailer hitch mount electric winch for use on your pickup. BUT - the go out on you property, identify those areas where you might get stuck, identify suitable anchor points - try to stay out of identified areas when muddy. Avoidance if far better than recovery.
Electric is superior to all other types in one way. It will still function even if the engine on the recovery vehicle can not run. It will run off the battery for a short while - that could be just what is needed to recover the vehicle.
oosik
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I've been stuck a few times here on the 80. My method of recovery - a 15,000 pound - 40 foot - nylon strap with loop on each end and my cell phone. My neighbor may be busy and take a couple hours to get here with his big 450 hp Case IH - gives me plenty of time to consider what I did wrong. He alway laughs - pulls me out - I go over with my tractor and clean/level his feed yards every summer. Things have a way of equaling out.
Zebrafive
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Is it some type of logging winch? 580lbs seems excessive for a winch.
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Yes, the Igland is a logging winch.
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I don't like winches. I use a heavy cylinder off some construction equipment with shackles at each end. It takes some time if you need to pull a distance, but usually you don't and that cylinder won't take no for an answer.
Beltzington
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I used a Warn M1200 Electric Winch and Bumper mount and attached it to my box blade which hardly gets any use. It is a beast, with the box blade tilted and on the ground it will pull my 8K lbs crew cab up a slope with the tractor in neutral.
:laughing: Just occurred to me this solution won't be of much use if you do not already have it mounted before you get stuck. It does make a good ballast.
Good Luck.
:laughing: Just occurred to me this solution won't be of much use if you do not already have it mounted before you get stuck. It does make a good ballast.
Good Luck.
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oosik
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I'm with you, Industrial Toys. But with a slight twist - I don't like being in a position where I need a winch.
Belzington - too true. A stuck vehicle without a winch, of some type, attached - - a real PITA(squared).
Belzington - too true. A stuck vehicle without a winch, of some type, attached - - a real PITA(squared).
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The problem where a pulling cylinder might not work is if you need a long cable to something far away and taking the slack out could be a problem. Or even the stretch in the line.
WranglerX
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Agreed.... BUT crossed a seasonal creek with no problem to do some work on other side... But coming back, one moment ok, next moment stuck with chassis sitting in the mud.. Ok, its a SCUT, and 4WD, still it was mud "1" tractor "0"... It did take Jeep with large winch a bit of struggle to unstick SCUT, when half buried in mud a 1,600 LB tractor may as well be 16,000 and difference from being not stuck to stuck maybe 5-10 seconds...
Want to know what stuck really is, go to youtube channels and look at some of the really big excavators and such with even the cab full of mud... This is stuck... Use "stuck excavators" as youtube search string...
Two Excavators in Deep **** - Heavy Recovery - Terribargarn, Sweden - YouTube
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Beltzington
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Wow, that "blue clay" looked like cement with an attitude, the commentator cracked me up, I keep thinking of Samuel Jackson talking in Pulp Fiction. Also, I am at loss as to why the wench operators station was directly behind and inline with cable pull, I guess cables never snap in Sweden or maybe winch operators are considered non-essential personnel.
JimR
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I also have the Igland 3501 logging winch on the back of my tractor most of the time for tree work, ballast and should I need a pull or pull something else out. I also have a 12,000 lb electric front mounted winch that I made a frame for and it mounts directly on the frame of my tractor. This does cut down your ground clearance by a few inches. I need to make a shield for it for brush deflection. I may eventually move it outwards and up so that I can get my clearance back.
For his purposes a 3pth winch would be useless, as by the time he's stuck it's too late to go put it on. Then again I can think of only one time in 50 years that I couldn't get myself out with the bucket. Granted in earlier days I would use a chain attached to a tree to help (and the other end to a hind wheel, if I didn't have a loader).
oosik
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ALL of my winching was with the 4WD club in Anchorage. Looking back, many of the "stuck situations" were the result of stupidity, bravado and macho. Most were situations that the normal person would not attempt. Get in a group of young fellows with the "I'll do it - go anywhere" attitude and the trip can become a real bore. Several times, I simply turned around and went home in utter disgust. 4 wheeling can be a great adventure - it doesn't have to result in damage to vehicles.
Anyhow - what I really wanted to say - when winching it's a good idea to throw a blanket - old Army wool blanket - over the winch cable. Cables snap, anchor points can release instantly. The cable can snap back with great force. I've seen it take out a grill - go thru a windshield - and the most frightening - wrap around a spectator. The Army blanket will absorb all the recoil energy - the cable will recoil a foot or two, then fall limp on the ground.
Anyhow - what I really wanted to say - when winching it's a good idea to throw a blanket - old Army wool blanket - over the winch cable. Cables snap, anchor points can release instantly. The cable can snap back with great force. I've seen it take out a grill - go thru a windshield - and the most frightening - wrap around a spectator. The Army blanket will absorb all the recoil energy - the cable will recoil a foot or two, then fall limp on the ground.
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My only winch experience is the 9000 LB Harbor Freight unit on my car trailer. I bought and mounted it to pick up a dead Ford 8N tractor. I power it from the battery on my F150 by way of a home made set of 2/0 jumper cables. The 8N had a 700 lb loader on it and an elevator gearbox hanging on the 3pt hitch so somewhere between 4000-4500 lbs. Winch pulled it right on the trailer.
Winch has been sitting out in the weather hard mounted to the trailer for about a year. Hadn't used it again until this week and my daughter needed her Honda Element taken to the shop. Hooked up the cables and it pulled it right up on the trailer.
My guess is you would want at least a 12,000 lb winch to pull a 3 or 4 K tractor out of a bog. You wouldn't want to mount an electric winch where it might become submerged. You would also need to consider it may need to be attached at either end since you don't know what the circumstances will be when you get stuck.
At least on my trailer I know I will be pulling something on so it was a safe bet to mount the winch on the front of the trailer down low. I used the trailer frame for the front bolts and welded a piece of 2-1/2" x 1/4" angle across the frame for the rear winch bolts.
Winch has been sitting out in the weather hard mounted to the trailer for about a year. Hadn't used it again until this week and my daughter needed her Honda Element taken to the shop. Hooked up the cables and it pulled it right up on the trailer.
My guess is you would want at least a 12,000 lb winch to pull a 3 or 4 K tractor out of a bog. You wouldn't want to mount an electric winch where it might become submerged. You would also need to consider it may need to be attached at either end since you don't know what the circumstances will be when you get stuck.
At least on my trailer I know I will be pulling something on so it was a safe bet to mount the winch on the front of the trailer down low. I used the trailer frame for the front bolts and welded a piece of 2-1/2" x 1/4" angle across the frame for the rear winch bolts.
