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This wasnt originally what I searched for, but it is an extension of the last several comments.Going Cashless: Central Banks and Digital Currencies – IMF F&D Magazine - Point of View - IMF F&D Magazine
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Exactly, they are good for "small loads". If I have a full basket, I wheel it into the fastest looking checker I can find.
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Am I the only one here who finds all this (as well as the increasingly present street cams) a little too "1984" for their taste? Of course it's only to "protect" us.
Personally, I find a lot of the increasingly mandated "safety" equipment in cars in general (automatic braking, lane change alerts, telematics that "phone home", etc.) rather intrusive and "big brotherish" as well. How much longer before your telematics-equipped car contacts the DMV every time you exceed the speed limit, pass on a solid line or run a stop sign so they can ticket you for that too?
OK, we get it. You like this technology. Each to their own. I happen to enjoy driving, and dread the day that this privilege will be essentially taken away. I'm in my late 60s, hopefully I won't be around to see it.
Way too 1984 for me.
Am I the only one here who finds all this (as well as the increasingly present street cams) a little too "1984" for their taste? Of course it's only to "protect" us.
Personally, I find a lot of the increasingly mandated "safety" equipment in cars in general (automatic braking, lane change alerts, telematics that "phone home", etc.) rather intrusive and "big brotherish" as well. How much longer before your telematics-equipped car contacts the DMV every time you exceed the speed limit, pass on a solid line or run a stop sign so they can ticket you for that too?
OK, we get it. You like this technology. Each to their own. I happen to enjoy driving, and dread the day that this privilege will be essentially taken away. I'm in my late 60s, hopefully I won't be around to see it.
The thin edge of the wedge has been in play for quite a while..... what you cite nicely segues into fully autonomous vehicles. For some of us, not in a good way.....
Closer in....... just look at something as basic as a steering rack. Electric ones seem to fail pretty often up here, at least compared to conventional hydraulic <- said meaning total replacement of the rack.
The more complex the technology, the faster the replacement cycle...... fine if you are wealthy, or just have ADD and think you are wealthy....... but it's another big push on the $ side, dissuading people from owning vehicles.....
Typing this, I'm thinking of a sci-fi short story I read many years ago..... it was about the Last Driver...... he took the last IC engined vehicle out of a hidden garage, and went for a run...... got tracked down by satellite before he got far......
Rgds, D.
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or the song
Red Barchetta
... before the Motor Law...
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire
Where my white-haired uncle waits
Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me an old machine
For fifty odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
I fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime
Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge...
Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle at the fireside
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Peart's lyrics to "Red Barchetta" were inspired by the short story
"A Nice Morning Drive" by Richard S. Foster, originally written in the November 1973 edition of the American car magazine Road & Track.
Lee described the tale as "Orwellian in nature"
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Well quoted..... very appropriate...... from a band of 3, who are (no surprise) also all bigtime MC riders.....
I was used to Rush having a big following in Canada..... got traveling on business in the USA in the 90's, and found a lot of fans there too !
Agreed ! A good antidote to driverless cars
Rush - Red Barchetta (Live (198 /Canada)) - YouTube
Rgds, D.
Well quoted..... very appropriate...... from a band of 3, who are (no surprise) also all bigtime MC riders.....
I was used to Rush having a big following in Canada..... got traveling on business in the USA in the 90's, and found a lot of fans there too !
Agreed ! A good antidote to driverless cars
Rush - Red Barchetta (Live (198 /Canada)) - YouTube
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my smart phone figured out where i worked..based on time spent there maybe? Not sure. Creepy.
Looked up a funeral notice online, thought i knew where it was..got close but not right, got out my phone..the directions were there to the place....no clue how it knew that.
Many other less creepy things of course, but those two stand out in my mind.
Quite a long time ago (by tech standards) Google mapped out how to locate people geographically solely based on the id of nearby wifi networks.
Obviously there are a few variables in that ^ working accurately/consistently, but just food-for-thought, esp. if you habitually leave wifi turned On.....
Examples come up now and then..... Google sometimes knows more about a person, than the person themself does....
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My wife just read the book: No One at the Wheel-- driverless cars and the road of the future. By:Samuel Schwartz 2018
The book describes many things that could go wrong going driverless like hacking the cars or what controls them and people using DC's to deliver explosives. These vehicles would also need black boxes to record what happened during a horrible accident. Who do you blame for a accident when there is no driver? Do you think you will win against a big corporation? The rest of us will have to have dash cams to prove our side too. The book describes the HUGE costs of things to come...
No One at the Wheel: Driverless Cars and the Road of the Future by Samuel I. Schwartz
The book describes many things that could go wrong going driverless like hacking the cars or what controls them and people using DC's to deliver explosives. These vehicles would also need black boxes to record what happened during a horrible accident. Who do you blame for a accident when there is no driver? Do you think you will win against a big corporation? The rest of us will have to have dash cams to prove our side too. The book describes the HUGE costs of things to come...
No One at the Wheel: Driverless Cars and the Road of the Future by Samuel I. Schwartz
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Does anyone remember a tv show a couple years ago, I think it might have been called "Hunted" or something similar. It was a one shot summer replacement show on CBS.
The premise was that a number of couples was given a one hour head start, and told to "disappear". If you could elude an army of agencies looking for you for 30 days you won a million dollars or something like that. The government played very dirty...in addition to utilizing street cams & facial recognition software, license plate readers, etc. they'd keep tabs on any known friends and relatives in the event you tried to make contact, watched your email, tracked cellphones, even posted "be on the lookout" messages on social media. Truly scary how big brother-ish this country already is.
Surprisingly, there were a handful of contestants who were smart, planned ahead and were able to collect the prize.
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Short version, second guy that i've seen bring up the SAME subjects...
Tony Seba talks 2: 95% km will be EV and autonomous. Really? Try to dig deeper! | rEVolution 2 18 - YouTube
Longer version - Clean Disruption of Energy and Transportation - CWA - Boulder, April 9, 2 18 - YouTube
Elec car revolution will be here in a decade or less. Like it or not. LIke cell phones...11 years ago if I decribed a smart phone you'd say HA! If I told you Apple would be the number one phone seller you'd say HA. Not now of course.
Apple has spent BILLIONS on car tech...uber (not around a decade ago), google (webs search car? yep) - and more to come no doubt.
I remember when elec power tools were new...junk, weak. Today? WOW. No point to buy wired tools for most things.
Cost of battery and range of battery are converging...cost to power and maintain is hands down in the favor of elec cars.
Self driving..100% of the time? It may be a while. Some of the time? yep, that exists now. Cost of the sensors for autonomous is $1700 per car...cheap. Will be on all cars...even if not full autonomy, we had NOTHING 10 years ago and now you can buy it retail today (tesla).
Horse to car took less than 15 years...this will be much easier.
Will there be growing pains? Sure, we've seen some already. I live in Pittsburgh - an Uber test city, big google presence. After the accident in arizona they pulled autonomous cars, went back on the raod here yesterday. Too much momentum behind it for it to be stopped.
Tony Seba talks 2
: 95% km will be EV and autonomous. Really? Try to dig deeper! | rEVolution 2 18 - YouTubeLonger version - Clean Disruption of Energy and Transportation - CWA - Boulder, April 9, 2 18 - YouTube
Elec car revolution will be here in a decade or less. Like it or not. LIke cell phones...11 years ago if I decribed a smart phone you'd say HA! If I told you Apple would be the number one phone seller you'd say HA. Not now of course.
Apple has spent BILLIONS on car tech...uber (not around a decade ago), google (webs search car? yep) - and more to come no doubt.
I remember when elec power tools were new...junk, weak. Today? WOW. No point to buy wired tools for most things.
Cost of battery and range of battery are converging...cost to power and maintain is hands down in the favor of elec cars.
Self driving..100% of the time? It may be a while. Some of the time? yep, that exists now. Cost of the sensors for autonomous is $1700 per car...cheap. Will be on all cars...even if not full autonomy, we had NOTHING 10 years ago and now you can buy it retail today (tesla).
Horse to car took less than 15 years...this will be much easier.
Will there be growing pains? Sure, we've seen some already. I live in Pittsburgh - an Uber test city, big google presence. After the accident in arizona they pulled autonomous cars, went back on the raod here yesterday. Too much momentum behind it for it to be stopped.
Interesting premise. Then again, there are businesses around that provide digital isolation for xyz time frame, for a fee of course..... (meaning for people that just want/need a break).
This one was in the news again recently.....
In a land of workaholics, burned-out South Koreans go to '''prison''' to relax | CBC News
It's easy to forget how Borg-like many of us have become..... (as he sits, typing to the TBN collective.....
)30 days...... yeah, I could do that.... esp. for 1MM USD cash. Heck, 30k Canadian would be enough to interest me...
Facial recognition has become scary fast..... they were doing testing on massed crowds in China not long ago..... response/isolation time was quick.
UK may still have the record, for most cameras vs. population.
We haven't really "owned" the data in our cars for some time....... old-tech automotive black boxes are routinely confiscated and submitted into evidence for trials.
Anybody remember the late 80's show Max Headroom ? I liked the character back when, but Blank Reg is starting to look better and better with time....
Rgds, D.
Even w/o driverless cars, the tracking/privacy issues are significant......
ACLU, Electronic Frontier Foundation Win Court Ruling That Police Can't Keep License Plate Data Secret | ACLU of Southern California
Yep, 1984 was 34 years ago.....
May You Live in Interesting Times.....
Rgds, D.
ACLU, Electronic Frontier Foundation Win Court Ruling That Police Can't Keep License Plate Data Secret | ACLU of Southern California
Yep, 1984 was 34 years ago.....
May You Live in Interesting Times.....
Rgds, D.
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Every time I eat at cracker barrel, within a few minutes of leaving I get an email advertisement from cracker barrel store... I'm sure its using position I to know where I am, then sends me 'relevant' adds.
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There is probably an app on your phone that is ratting you out. One where when you installed it, you got a message like "XYZ needs access to the following services: track your location" and you hit OK. The problem with apps is they tell you what information you want, but not what they're going to use it for. So you download some free utility, and behind your back it's spying on you and then selling what it learns to advertisers. Just about any free app is going to rely on advertising to pay for it, but they're moving away from pop-up ads in the middle of the app -- those are ineffective, not targeted, and make you not want to use it. The real money is gathering information about you and your habits that they can sell to advertisers.
