Buying Advice I need a better wheel barrow!

[jeff9366]

I googled the implements mentioned. They make lots of stuff especially stuff for little tractors. I though I had seen it all when I saw the land plane and the spring loaded job. It looks like there is more than one PTO output shaft?

Very generally, with exceptions: Subcompact tractors (1,700 pounds) come standard with a center and rear PTO. Center PTO is to power mid-mount-mowers.

Some compact tractors (2,700 pounds) have center PTOs, some do not. Center PTOs are omitted to reduce prices. Downside to center PTOs is that they can clog/plug/bind with dirt and dust when infrequently used.

Heavier tractors (3,500 pounds +) have optional center PTOs, primarily to operate front mounted snow removal equipment. Snow removal is the primary task for many tractors.

Rear PTO is integral to every Three Point Hitch.




IMPLEMENTS: http://www.lsuagcenter.com/~/media/...aa214276e14dacb/pub2917tractorimplements1.pdf

 

[jeff9366]

I can use the Bobcat for heavy stuff. I want to build an off road articulating gantry crane anyway.

Consider a tractor Boom Pole. Common lift capacities: 1,000 and 2,000 pounds.
tractor boom pole - YouTube

 

[Lelandwelds]

Jeff,
I think you got your road cut a bit low in one spot in photo #1. Lol. I thought I would cast a concrete weight or use the iron weights from the old case.

Girl,
I have some well meaning friends who encourage me to just hydroax all the Cedar and remove all my 100 year old stunted oaks because they're "not worth saving". They like the huge one time rental /hire it done approach.

I don't like that idea much. Pretty much all my trees are of the "not worth saving" variety. If i hack and slash, I am left with a rock pile in an endless summer of 100°F plus days. I want to take my time, consider my views, and weigh the value of each tree. In short, I need a hobby.

My old 16 hp Mackissic chipper would chip 4" dried oak slowly. I rented a 16 hp stump grinder that was a beast. I figure somewhere in the 25 to 40 hp PTO will do what I want. I liked the look of this Chinese Canadian stuff:

Wood Chippers – Woodland Mills Canada

We just sold off the livestock and moved from ag exempt to a wildlife exemption. Part of that involves clearing, adding brush piles, and adding water sources.

 

[Lelandwelds]

Very generally, with exceptions: Subcompact tractors (1,700 pounds) come standard with a center and rear PTO. Center PTO is to power mid-mount-mowers.

Some compact tractors (2,700 pounds) have center PTOs, some do not. Center PTOs are omitted to reduce prices. Downside to center PTOs is that they can clog/plug/bind with dirt and dust when infrequently used.

Heavier tractors (3,500 pounds +) have optional center PTOs, primarily to operate front mounted snow removal equipment. Snow removal is a primary task for many tractors.

Rear PTO is integral to every Three Point Hitch.

Actually, I meant the rear PTO. I see a 6 spline, a 20, and Kioti has a square? (Poor photos. Hard to tell.) I don't have a lot of interest in snow removal. I probably would spend the optional center PTO money on front or rear extra hydraulic circuits.

A boom pole, log arch, or gin poles are definitely an option.

 

[GirlWhoWantsTractor]

I have some well meaning friends who encourage me to just hydroax all the Cedar and remove all my 100 year old stunted oaks because they're "not worth saving".

We just sold off the livestock and moved from ag exempt to a wildlife exemption. Part of that involves clearing, adding brush piles, and adding water sources.

Thought you were talking about existing stumps. I would NEVER suggest cutting down trees without a very, very good reason. Esp in a hot climate, trees are golden. Don't let the "clear everything" people talk you into it. A 100-year-old tree "not worth saving"??!!

How I ended up with stumps, trees to chip: I have 13 acres of deep woods and chose to clear one very small area, including some larger trees, to create a natural spring-fed pond (the wildlife loves it) and also did some general thinning of doomed poplar saplings to give the chestnuts, oaks, wild cherries, maples, hickories, and pines a better chance to grow.

That's wonderful you'll be enhancing your land by creating wildlife habitat. A fun, rewarding, life-long hobby!

I have also created natural wildflower and native grass meadows which are beautiful and only require mowing once a year. I also leave standing dead trees as long as they're not right near the house. Attracts all sorts of wildlife. Also left large areas of brushpiles (again, not in view of the house). I purposely have left around 5 acres of dense woods completely untouched; I don't even walk there. It's a dark, steep, jungly place and who knows what lives there? I like that. I have heard the calls of some rare birds that only live in undisturbed woods.

 

[Warsign]

Thought you were talking about existing stumps. I would NEVER suggest cutting down trees without a very, very good reason. Esp in a hot climate, trees are golden. Don't let the "clear everything" people talk you into it. A 100-year-old tree "not worth saving"??!!

How I ended up with stumps, trees to chip: I have 13 acres of deep woods and chose to clear one very small area, including some larger trees, to create a natural spring-fed pond (the wildlife loves it) and also did some general thinning of doomed poplar saplings to give the chestnuts, oaks, wild cherries, maples, hickories, and pines a better chance to grow.

That's wonderful you'll be enhancing your land by creating wildlife habitat. A fun, rewarding, life-long hobby! I purposely have left around 5 acres of dense woods completely untouched; I don't even walk there. It's a dark, steep, jungly place and who knows what lives there? I like that. I have heard the calls of some rare birds that only live in undisturbed woods.

I have also created natural wildflower and native grass meadows which are beautiful and only require mowing once a year. I also leave standing dead trees as long as they're not right near the house. Attracts all sorts of wildlife. Also left large areas of brushpiles (again, not in view of the house).

There may be a squatter living in there. :0

 

[GirlWhoWantsTractor]

There may be a squatter living in there. :0

:laughing::laughing:

Nah the bears and coyotes would eat him for sure.

 

[Lelandwelds]

Well, i am doing it because it saves roughly $15,000 in annual taxes. The tax man is requiring more cattle than the land will support. It is nice to see the gray fox in the very early morning. We have horny toads. There is a pair of mountain lions a little les than two miles away. I think the roadrunners are hilarious. I could do without the coons and possums.

All we really had to do was remove the cows and add a small amount of water. The wildlife just exploded. It was nearly instant.

I am encouraging the native short grass prairie. I feel a little silly carrying my tablet around looking for shade to compare photos of grass against what is growing. The burn bans forced on us because of the transplanted city people are a definite drag. We are discussing removing the cedar or "mountain juniper". My oaks are stunted because they have rocky feet. The rings are so tight you can barely count them. People dont understand how a hundred year old tree can just be 20 ft tall and have a trunk six inches thick. I am just glad the oak wilt hasnt gotten them.

You're right. It is an entertaining hobby.

 

[jeff9366]

Actually, I meant the rear PTO. I see a 6 spline, a 20, and Kioti has a square? (Poor photos. Hard to tell.) I don't have a lot of interest in snow removal. I probably would spend the optional center PTO money on front or rear extra hydraulic circuits.
A boom pole, log arch, or gin poles are definitely an option.

Compact tractor PTOs are standardized with six spines. No square ended shafts. One rear PTO per tractor.

Anything additional is powered hydraulically, rather than mechanically. Mechanical power transfer is much more efficient than hydraulic power transfer. PTO power transfer is for continuous operation. Hydraulic power transfer is for intermittent operation, opening and closing valves.

Hydraulic pumps on tractors are much smaller than hydraulic pumps on skid steers.

Big ag tractors (9,000 pounds, bare tractor) with 1,000 rpm PTOs, may have 20 splines on larger diameter shafts. I am not certain of the spline count.

Three Three Point Hitch and standard PTO was introduced to the USA from England in 1939 and has been standard since, although larger sizes have been introduced as tractor weight and power has increased. Tractors of the 1940s were designed to replace two horse plow teams with a better tool.

(Has some odd grey market stuff been imported in minuscule quantities? Yes.)

When ordering PTO powered implements, if you have a Category 1 hitch and order a new Category 1 implement, they mate.
( Cat 1 and Cat 2 are compact tractor sizes. Big ag tractors use Cat 3 through Cat 5)

Tractors in common weight categories are mostly generic. The Three Point Hitch dimensions are to industry standard, although hitch lift capacity and lift height varies. When you get into details compact tractors vary in horsepower, standard versus deLuxe kit and paint color, which we obsess about in this forum.

 

[searcyfarms]

go cut, you will be glad you did, kind of hard to recommend anything outside of that since you have dealer concerns -

 

[Lelandwelds]

go cut, you will be glad you did, kind of hard to recommend anything outside of that since you have dealer concerns -

Unfortunately, I think the dealership staff tailors the service level to the perceived value of the solo sale. Or, customers they recognize. Or, like. Or, their horoscope and mood at the moment.

The tractor dealers may not value employee training. Maybe management is unsophisticated. Who knows? I will make a more serious search once my piggy bank is full.

 

[searcyfarms]

I will say this...........in recent years I have had the opportunity to go to multiple dealers for various reasons, I have found that there are still good ones around and I would change my loyalties in a heartbeat and wear a different colored hat. I cant even begin to tell you how refreshing it is to be able to talk to your mechanic, the service mgr, the sales man and all come to an agreement on the situation - it weighed in heavy when it came time to purchase something as well even though I was trying to change colors because of my experience with my current deere. Not the dealership, they get 5 stars just the experience with my machine. So........we shook hands and are trying again.......maybe you will get a chance to buy some weed eater string, or a bolt or bearing and see how you are treated in the mean time while your piggy is getting plump and then you can feel settled about your purchase when the time comes

 

[PA hayseed]

You have a beltec for drilling? Nice. I don't care how hard your ground is or what is below the surface, that thing has every bit imaginable for drilling through whatever you want - concrete to topsoil. A scut won't handle it, doesn't have the weight, and most cuts lack the weight as well until your over the 40hp range (depending on build weight).

Just an FYI
Apparently the market for scuts and cuts is booming and dealers appear to have more business than they can handle. When the economy eventually turns south, which it inevitably will, customer service will increase again.

I'm with a lot of the other posters here, I think a scut would be nice in theory, but a cut will get what you want done. Besides, if you get a 45-50 hp cut, with a heavy enough build, you may be able to run a chipper, grinder, and the beltec on it, plus have enough lift capacity. Maybe. Maybe if it works out well enough you could sell the skid steer to cover costs. Just an idea, I don't have a money tree in my backyard.

Good luck on your decision.

 

[Lelandwelds]

Yes, the Beltec is pretty sweet. He started off with something else and sheared all his bolts before he hit the first three feet. The bobcat is still needed but it is almost 20 years old. It is tired.

When I was really using tractors was forty years ago and I was in my teens. Memory is a bit fuzzy. There were no SCUT or CUT. There was only one size of PTO and only a few tire sizes. The high hp machines were just becoming available. Today is different.

Getting my own tractor is a new idea. It may be a while. The wife has different priorities. I am surprised how few used tractors are available on the smaller end of the size and power scale! The dealer I talked to says "lots of soccer folks with no acreage and no experience" are now common customers. He said they dont get a lot of clean trade ins.