3-Point Hitch PTO Generator arrived today

[grsthegreat]

here we go again..this subject has been beaten to death. im an electrician and i hook up generators. i saw a unit last year that was fed thru the welder circuit in garage. the old guy was doing the same thing for many years, but this time he forgot to shut off the main breaker. the power came back on and blew up the panel and the generator is toast.

i gave him a bid on replacing main panel, but never heard back from him.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

here we go again..this subject has been beaten to death. im an electrician and i hook up generators. i saw a unit last year that was fed thru the welder circuit in garage. the old guy was doing the same thing for many years, but this time he forgot to shut off the main breaker. the power came back on and blew up the panel and the generator is toast.

i gave him a bid on replacing main panel, but never heard back from him.

Time changes all things including our minds. This is an example where a hack came back to bite.

 

[GC1710]

buickanddeere....are you always so negative...you conjured up what I did and made a story out of it...true liberal for sure...words like "egotistical" "advocated" "illegal" this thread was about a PTO generator on a sub-compact tractor....and you turned it into egotistical people advocating for back-feeding through welder circuits and it all being "illegal" **** I'm probably a racist now too.....meanwhile I never once did any of this...FAKE NEWS


...I knew I shouldn't of replied to Irvings question....I have my own disconnect/interlock from main power that does what it needs to do and I don't want it shared because yes it isn't "professional" so I don't want to share home-brew ideas to genpop..... The only disgusting thing I read were the posts about "professionals"....there are some great tradesmen out there, great plumbers, electricians, welders, fitters, etc......but the fact of the matter is the majority that you hire, since we're all cheap, are horrible....I have fixed so many "professional" jobs at friends and family homes it's sickening...Geothermal installs by an HVAC tech that had only done gas...that was the best....however more scary are general contractors not hiring real electricians to do wiring....or auto-body shops doing frame welding with what looks like someones first ever welding job..........The question I have is do you feed ground to home or just run neutral and hots and run a ground rod from gennie to earth? I chose to run neutral and hots and then grounded gennie to a 4' rod driven in the ground.....this latter part may deserve some further discussion on an electrical forum...(bonding vs grounding)

I do everything myself:my open loop geothermal, boiler heated radiant heat in basement/garage, dual hot water tank setup using a combination of waste heat from geothermal in summer and a heat pump AO Smith main tank (which becomes the pre heat tank in the winter), laying drainage tile, installing a home security system, roofing....haven't poured my own concrete yet...but thats on my list...9 times out of 10 if you read some books, do some research and ask for some advice you'll do a better job then hiring it out...if you are handy. Luckily my father was a general home builder and when you're 4 years old on the job site you pick-up stuff pretty early...

Between my Dad, the Marine Corps Electronic school, mechanical engineering at Purdue, and some cool trade classes in high-school I've become well rounded, I post on here because I love having a tractor and wish I was a farmer...I love sharing what I've done with such a little tractor.....now I'm going off the wall because an innocent thread just became a debacle...

 

[WranglerX]

Plugged it in, using 6awg, let’s just leave it at that.

Well... Instead of using the vague inference you did something sort of sneaky and unsafe, you could have said "I have proper transfer type switch in place".... ITs your words that sparked this series of comments....

Dale

 

[LouNY]

Between my Dad, the Marine Corps Electronic school, mechanical engineering at Purdue, and some cool trade classes in high-school I've become well rounded, I post on here because I love having a tractor and wish I was a farmer...I love sharing what I've done with such a little tractor.....now I'm going off the wall because an innocent thread just became a debacle...

Morning GC1710;
Where did you have your Electronic School, NAS Millington?
That was where mine was back in70 and 71.

 

[GC1710]

Morning GC1710;
Where did you have your Electronic School, NAS Millington?
That was where mine was back in70 and 71.

Twenty Nine Palms, CA

 

[LouNY]

Twenty Nine Palms, CA

One of my daughters went there, when I was in El Toro was fixed wing and 29 Palms was rotary only.
Have a good day.

 

[buickanddeere]

buickanddeere....are you always so negative...you conjured up what I did and made a story out of it...true liberal for sure...words like "egotistical" "advocated" "illegal" this thread was about a PTO generator on a sub-compact tractor....and you turned it into egotistical people advocating for back-feeding through welder circuits and it all being "illegal" **** I'm probably a racist now too.....meanwhile I never once did any of this...FAKE NEWS


...I knew I shouldn't of replied to Irvings question....I have my own disconnect/interlock from main power that does what it needs to do and I don't want it shared because yes it isn't "professional" so I don't want to share home-brew ideas to genpop..... The only disgusting thing I read were the posts about "professionals"....there are some great tradesmen out there, great plumbers, electricians, welders, fitters, etc......but the fact of the matter is the majority that you hire, since we're all cheap, are horrible....I have fixed so many "professional" jobs at friends and family homes it's sickening...Geothermal installs by an HVAC tech that had only done gas...that was the best....however more scary are general contractors not hiring real electricians to do wiring....or auto-body shops doing frame welding with what looks like someones first ever welding job..........The question I have is do you feed ground to home or just run neutral and hots and run a ground rod from gennie to earth? I chose to run neutral and hots and then grounded gennie to a 4' rod driven in the ground.....this latter part may deserve some further discussion on an electrical forum...(bonding vs grounding)

I do everything myself:my open loop geothermal, boiler heated radiant heat in basement/garage, dual hot water tank setup using a combination of waste heat from geothermal in summer and a heat pump AO Smith main tank (which becomes the pre heat tank in the winter), laying drainage tile, installing a home security system, roofing....haven't poured my own concrete yet...but thats on my list...9 times out of 10 if you read some books, do some research and ask for some advice you'll do a better job then hiring it out...if you are handy. Luckily my father was a general home builder and when you're 4 years old on the job site you pick-up stuff pretty early...

Between my Dad, the Marine Corps Electronic school, mechanical engineering at Purdue, and some cool trade classes in high-school I've become well rounded, I post on here because I love having a tractor and wish I was a farmer...I love sharing what I've done with such a little tractor.....now I'm going off the wall because an innocent thread just became a debacle...

Where do you find hats big enough for your head ?

 

[cdaigle430]

No matter if your a DIY or an electrical engineer-always respect electricity. The moment you font it will bite you in the ars. If its not safe-dont do it-its not worth it.
I have just enough experience with it to be dangerous.

 

[buickanddeere]

No matter if your a DIY or an electrical engineer-always respect electricity. The moment you font it will bite you in the ars. If its not safe-dont do it-its not worth it.
I have just enough experience with it to be dangerous.

Amen . The stuff is patient and will wait as long as it takes to bite you.

 

[GC1710]

Where do you find hats big enough for your head ?

Don’t be jealous cause my dinghy is bigger than yours

 

[LouNY]

Don’t be jealous cause my dinghy is bigger than yoursView attachment 556623

:thumbsup::drink:

 

[Rustyiron]

Hey I know a guy that put his (pto) generator in his garage on an exterior wall. He made an access panel for the drive shaft through the wall. (tractor on the outside)
Just thought that was a pretty clever idea I'd mention.

 

[fried1765]

When he turned his main breaker off it isolated the utility,
then lets think about what would happen if he didn't turn off his main.
If you try to backfeed a utility with a small generator whats actually going to happen.
lets see 220 volt and a 30 amp breaker on the generator; and lets assume a 13,500 volt primary feed,
13,500 volt and 0.5 Amps, of course the inrush to load the transformer blew his circuit breaker or stalled his generator.
So he could not backfeed thru the transformer, with enough generator it would be theoretically possible if there is not a short
in the system.
I will admit to "backfeeding" my main panel also, I verify that no voltage is present on the main,
Then I turn the main off, plug in my cord to the 50 amp receptacles,
bring the generator to speed and close the breaker on the generator then the breaker to the receptacle.
The worst point is that I have a 600 Volt 200 Amp 3 pole double throw switch just waiting to be installed,
which may never happen, I am going to install one of these as I don't have to pull the meter to install it.
Manual Transfer Switch Kits | Generator Interlock Kit
So to all of the "safety gestopos" on here, stuff it.
verify the voltage and check for voltage on the incoming main

Exactly correct!
If a person is too stupid to trip the main service entrance breaker before starting the generator they absolutely DO need a transfer switch.
Trip the main breaker FIRST.
Trip all the individual breakers.
Have a a TRIP MAIN BREAKER FIRST tag/sign conspicuously attached to generator.
Plug the generator into a dryer or range receptacle.
Start the generator, and allow to warm up for a brief time.
Turn the dryer or range breaker on.
Select additional breakers to on as desired, and according to allowable generator total permissible load.
How can this method be unsafe for utility line crews?

 

[buickanddeere]

Exactly correct!
If a person is too stupid to trip the main service entrance breaker before starting the generator they absolutely DO need a transfer switch.
Trip the main breaker FIRST.
Trip all the individual breakers.
Have a a TRIP MAIN BREAKER FIRST tag/sign conspicuously attached to generator.
Plug the generator into a dryer or range receptacle.
Start the generator, and allow to warm up for a brief time.
Turn the dryer or range breaker on.
Select additional breakers to on as desired, and according to allowable generator total permissible load.
How can this method be unsafe for utility line crews?

Are you serious, don’t Know any better , don’t care , cheap or are you just trying to stir the pot ? Ever wonder why all power utilities mandate the use of a break before make transfer switch ?

 

[SteveM70]

Ever wonder why all power utilities mandate the use of a break before make transfer switch ?

The answer to this question should end this debate but I have a feeling it won't.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Are you serious, don’t Know any better , don’t care , cheap or are you just trying to stir the pot ? Ever wonder why all power utilities mandate the use of a break before make transfer switch ?

All THAT, and you didn't answer the question...

SR

 

[fried1765]

Are you serious, don’t Know any better , don’t care , cheap or are you just trying to stir the pot ? Ever wonder why all power utilities mandate the use of a break before make transfer switch ?

What is that supposed to mean?
Sure....tell me why "all the power utilities mandate the use of a breaker before make transfer switch"

 

[Rustyiron]

It sound's like break the connection to the grid then make the connection to your genny.
That's how my manual transfer switch works. It's a guillotine or knife (terminology?) type switch that in one spring assisted motion disconnects one source and drops into the other, never the 2 (sources) shall meet. Not super expensive, $400 in a weather proof outside enclosure.