Mxracer394
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I have been searching for a tractor for awhile I was set on the xg3025 LS or the kubota 2501L. Now I'm looking at the kioti ck2610. Does anyone have any advice for narrowing down my choices?
Kioti 2610 or xg3025
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sbct
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If I was you I would make sure to consider things like front end loader lift capacity when making your comparisons. I'm sure you would be happy with any one of those three and they all have great reputations. Things like overall weight and lift capacity would be how I would make a decision when considering three great machines like the ones you are considering. Don't forget dealer service and location as a factor to consider also.
jdom84
Gold Member
I wouldn't fret about it to much, you'll end up going to go into analysis paralysis like many others do. They are all good tractors, just go drive them around the dealer lot, see how they feel to you. Buy the one with the specs you want at the price you can afford and feel good about the purchase you made.
Others will tell you their opinion of what they think or have experienced but what fits them, might not fit you.
Others will tell you their opinion of what they think or have experienced but what fits them, might not fit you.
conkli48
Bronze Member
all three of the tractors you considered are excellent tractors, I almost went with LS, but it came down to kioti dealer being 9 miles away vs LS being 40 miles away. The LS tractors look great from what ive seen and are very competitive on price. Again my desicion was based on dealer location. IF Ls dealer was closer i would have considered them more so. That said i have a 2610, I really like the tractor, it has plenty of power. It uses a motor from the CK35 and on tractor data i have tracked it back for about 15 years across various models. So it is a mature motor and i dont expect any issues. The LS uses a mitsubushi, that i wouldnt expect issues from either. The LS has a couple hundred more lbs of loader capacity but is 300 lbs lighter than a ck2610. So i think its a draw really, both great machines. The kioti in my mind has more ergonomic benefits, like the loader valve in the fender, and a clear platform with little cluter. But, i do think the LS has a way beefier loader. The ck 2610 uses a different loader than the 3510 or 4010. Not sure why, maybe to save money or maybe to make it lighter for the group it places itself in.
I am a big fan of these 25 horse larger frame tractors, tho. Its going to be hard to work them too hard, as well as bringing back that 8n niche. bigger and stronger and more capable but cheaper and simpler.
Really you can go wrong either way, The best thing is you are considering korean made tractors. High value, high quality. Kubotas are great but they are inching closer to john deere prices. They are leaving there base behind. I love kubotas but some things they do on their value lines are really depressing, like leaving a plastic handle off and covering the fender holes with stickers. What did they save 5 dollars? I like how they are expanding, but the korean companies are coming hard for market share and willing to deal and play the game. And of the multiple korean tractor companies, LS and Kioti have their stuff together, Branson is improving, but heard they got bought by tym. Which can figure out if they want to keep making tractors for other companies like rural king and mahindra, or be in the usa tractor business.
I am a big fan of these 25 horse larger frame tractors, tho. Its going to be hard to work them too hard, as well as bringing back that 8n niche. bigger and stronger and more capable but cheaper and simpler.
Really you can go wrong either way, The best thing is you are considering korean made tractors. High value, high quality. Kubotas are great but they are inching closer to john deere prices. They are leaving there base behind. I love kubotas but some things they do on their value lines are really depressing, like leaving a plastic handle off and covering the fender holes with stickers. What did they save 5 dollars? I like how they are expanding, but the korean companies are coming hard for market share and willing to deal and play the game. And of the multiple korean tractor companies, LS and Kioti have their stuff together, Branson is improving, but heard they got bought by tym. Which can figure out if they want to keep making tractors for other companies like rural king and mahindra, or be in the usa tractor business.
N2DFire
Platinum Member
Pretty much just echoing what has already been said.
Drive (or at least seat test) all of them you can. See which ones feel good. Make sure you turn around like you would for real when working and see how the control location feels then too.
After that - decide what's more important (Price, Dealer Location, Features) and pick the one you're happiest with.
As far as features, anything that might be optional / extra (like rear remotes, 3rd functions, etc) are probably going to be cheaper to add now that later because you can negotiate them into the price.
Drive (or at least seat test) all of them you can. See which ones feel good. Make sure you turn around like you would for real when working and see how the control location feels then too.
After that - decide what's more important (Price, Dealer Location, Features) and pick the one you're happiest with.
As far as features, anything that might be optional / extra (like rear remotes, 3rd functions, etc) are probably going to be cheaper to add now that later because you can negotiate them into the price.
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Mxracer394
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Thanks for all the responses. I recently bought some land to build a house on and need a tractor just to maintain the place. The ls dealer is about 15-20 minutes away and there are 2 kioti dealers one 30 minutes and the 45 away. The kioti looks good right now since they are offering 0% for up to 72 months. Ls is cheaper by almost 2k. But is about 5% interest. In the end the kioti is cheaper. I had financing but building a house I hate to come off 16k cash for something I can get for 0% interest.
jdom84
Gold Member
did your kioti dealer explain the 0% financing? You do not get the "free loader" and you have to have a large % for down payment. All the manufactures offer this free loader OR 0% for X months but JD is the only one to offer both but they are the most expensive so... are you really getting both?
conkli48
Bronze Member
I didnt get a free loader, but i did get 0% interest with 0 down just in may when i bought my kioti. I could have save a few hundred going with an interest plan and got a few more discounts, but it was easier to persuade the wife on 0% for 72 months. Last i knew the free loader mainly was for the DK series. My dad priced out a dk4510 for 21000, cash price with free loader. Not bad price, he ended up going with a kubota mx5200 for 28,000. not quite an apples to apples, i see the NX 5510 as more of a direct competitor to the mx5200.
All that said, the interest is the biggest thing that made me go with kioti. other dealer required money down up to 20% or were 4 to 5% interest.
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Mxracer394
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Currently they offer a interest rate and a rebate or no rebate and zero interest rate. These are the quotes I was given Tuesday.
NBKubota
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You only pay 1.5% tax??? Wow that must be nice!
jdom84
Gold Member
no tax here.... or Oregon
Looks like you are getting good prices (I guess the free loader is not on this model although the website is very confusing because it list its CK series old models)
This is from the Kioti site
Promotional Period: October 1 – December 31, 2017
Eligible Units: CK20S, CK20SH, CK27, CK27H, CK30, CK30H, CK35, CK35H, All DKSE Models, DK55, DK90, All DK10 models, all DS models, all PX models, all NX models and all RX models.
When I went to my local Kioti dealer this spring they didn't have a computer in sight and when I asked about things like "free loader and rebates" they told me "their are none right now". I told them the kioti site has them listed, and the response was "i dont think they apply to this model". The quotes I got were insanely high and they were doing things like putting the larger KL4010 loader on the ck2610 which was quoted at over 20k... I lost all faith in them... otherwise I probably would have bought a Kioti because the dealer is within a couple miles from my house.
MMalabama
Bronze Member
I hope you are not buying KIOTI from the dealer in Ellisville, MS. I do not recommend them, very poor customer service, I went there with my trailer to look at buying a tractor, I stood outside looking around at tractors for well over an hour and not a single sales rep came out to see if I needed some assistance. Walked inside thinking they must have been swamped with customers, only one customer in there and three employees. On top of that, do you think even once after I walked inside the building that they asked if I needed help, of course not. So after I asked some older fellow that I was interested in getting a tractor, he just acted like he couldn't have cared if he ever sold another tractor. Maybe that was just a bad day for them, but I will never go back there, I got in my truck and left. I had the trailer with me, I probably would have given them my money if they had show any interest in selling me a tractor.
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Mxracer394
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The 1.5% is a special farm tax if you meet certain requirements. Normally 7%. And yes those prices are from ellisville auto supply. Watts brothers in Columbia is the same price. Watts has been around a long time but ellisville was closer to go look.
Big Blue Florida
Silver Member
Cost was a huge factor from the beginning.
Then we were told to consider what each tractor could do & only compare the equal size, not just the cost.
Our LS has proven itself in the 200+ hours & about 18 months of ownership.
On the negative side our LS dealer 150 miles south of us, closed.
Found a Kabota dealer selling LS units out their back door. Not one LS in their show room or in their o/s front inventory. 40miles south
Keep in mind these tractors are just (usually) not used as our trucks/cars & being simple there's a lot less to go down.
Good luck in your search & now is the time to learn much from different owners who use their tractors.
Then we were told to consider what each tractor could do & only compare the equal size, not just the cost.
Our LS has proven itself in the 200+ hours & about 18 months of ownership.
On the negative side our LS dealer 150 miles south of us, closed.
Found a Kabota dealer selling LS units out their back door. Not one LS in their show room or in their o/s front inventory. 40miles south
Keep in mind these tractors are just (usually) not used as our trucks/cars & being simple there's a lot less to go down.
Good luck in your search & now is the time to learn much from different owners who use their tractors.
Neelbilly
New member
This is a great subject and something that I have been spending tons of time researching in the last 2 weeks. I am in the hunt for a larger frame tractor without tier 4 emissions. The XG3025, CK2610, and L2501 are on the top of my list. I agree with the others about all 3 being great tractors, but I want to share my personal pros and cons as well as the price differences that I've been finding.
XG 3025 shuttle with loader: closest dealer quoted my 16,800. When I told him he needed to be in the low 15's to beat the Kioti and Kubota, he seemed stymied, but was going to refer to the owner to see if he could do it. I told him that it was a cash deal and that the others knock $1200-$1400 off right away. When I got home and did some digging, I could find a brand ne model 4.5hrs away (Detroit area) for $14975. Significant difference especially when he is selling a slightly older model with a 5 year instead of 6 year warranty. I think he is confused and has not given me the cash discount, but I will find out for sure when he calls back.
Now about the pros and cons. This tractor as a shuttle shift pretty much destroyed the others. Why? Fully synchronize shifting - shift on the fly like a car. Reverser on the dash makes it even better. The others require a complete stop. The other huge winner on this tractor was the independent PTO. When the yellow nob was turned to on, the PTO spins regardless of what you do with the clutch pedal (I checked).Going to be very useful for brush hogging in the thick when you need to clutch. So far, the place that it loses is in the local price. I have emails out to others closer, but it's the weekend, so no response yet. Another negative is that dealers seem to come and go with the seasons. Also, no midpoint PTO option that I can find.
Kioti KK2610: This is a fine tractor that runs and looks great. $15200 was the quote for shuttle and loader. Local dealer seems super knowledgeable and appears to have a solid business that isn't going anywhere.really, the only bad thing here is that I feel you need to tack $1100 on and get the hydro to compete with the great tranny and independent PTO on the LS. When you push the clutch in, the PTO stops on the shuttle. The only gears that are synchronized are when you shift from 2nd to reverse. Handy, but not as flexible as the LS. A pro is that you can add a mid mount PTO at any time for $350 installed (unless you have a hoe). However, the only option for the mid PTO is a snow blower. Rumor abounds that there may be a mower, but no solid info. I don't necessarily want the mid mower, but nice to know it's an option. When I go to do some final dealing on this tractor, I'll go for the hydro. Just my opinion as many others love the shuttle on this one.
Kubota L2501. Price quoted for shuttle with loader was $15,700. This was claimed to be year end only, so I may have missed this price. Also, I am told to be in favor with this dealer since the company I work for bought a couple of Kubotas from them to see how they compete against Bobcats. All the comments for the Kioti apply here except that ther is no mid PTO option available at all. Dead pto, and must stop to shift. This tractor for whatever reason still gave me a big smile to test drive. It is a contender also, but for me, it will be a hydro, so add $1000.
Couple other things. I drove all of these tractors in single digit temps and to there credit, they all started and ran well. The 2nd time I drove the Kioti the fuel gelled, but it was below zero and the tractor hadn't been run in a week or 2 since the last time I had been there. I tried pricing a Mahindra 1526, but they were out in left field at $17090. Mid mount mower was available, so that was a plus, but I just didn't care as much for the look and feel of it as I did for the others.
Good luck if you are looking at either of the 3. In about 5 or 6 weeks I'll have a new pole building. I'll let you know what I buy and for how much!
XG 3025 shuttle with loader: closest dealer quoted my 16,800. When I told him he needed to be in the low 15's to beat the Kioti and Kubota, he seemed stymied, but was going to refer to the owner to see if he could do it. I told him that it was a cash deal and that the others knock $1200-$1400 off right away. When I got home and did some digging, I could find a brand ne model 4.5hrs away (Detroit area) for $14975. Significant difference especially when he is selling a slightly older model with a 5 year instead of 6 year warranty. I think he is confused and has not given me the cash discount, but I will find out for sure when he calls back.
Now about the pros and cons. This tractor as a shuttle shift pretty much destroyed the others. Why? Fully synchronize shifting - shift on the fly like a car. Reverser on the dash makes it even better. The others require a complete stop. The other huge winner on this tractor was the independent PTO. When the yellow nob was turned to on, the PTO spins regardless of what you do with the clutch pedal (I checked).Going to be very useful for brush hogging in the thick when you need to clutch. So far, the place that it loses is in the local price. I have emails out to others closer, but it's the weekend, so no response yet. Another negative is that dealers seem to come and go with the seasons. Also, no midpoint PTO option that I can find.
Kioti KK2610: This is a fine tractor that runs and looks great. $15200 was the quote for shuttle and loader. Local dealer seems super knowledgeable and appears to have a solid business that isn't going anywhere.really, the only bad thing here is that I feel you need to tack $1100 on and get the hydro to compete with the great tranny and independent PTO on the LS. When you push the clutch in, the PTO stops on the shuttle. The only gears that are synchronized are when you shift from 2nd to reverse. Handy, but not as flexible as the LS. A pro is that you can add a mid mount PTO at any time for $350 installed (unless you have a hoe). However, the only option for the mid PTO is a snow blower. Rumor abounds that there may be a mower, but no solid info. I don't necessarily want the mid mower, but nice to know it's an option. When I go to do some final dealing on this tractor, I'll go for the hydro. Just my opinion as many others love the shuttle on this one.
Kubota L2501. Price quoted for shuttle with loader was $15,700. This was claimed to be year end only, so I may have missed this price. Also, I am told to be in favor with this dealer since the company I work for bought a couple of Kubotas from them to see how they compete against Bobcats. All the comments for the Kioti apply here except that ther is no mid PTO option available at all. Dead pto, and must stop to shift. This tractor for whatever reason still gave me a big smile to test drive. It is a contender also, but for me, it will be a hydro, so add $1000.
Couple other things. I drove all of these tractors in single digit temps and to there credit, they all started and ran well. The 2nd time I drove the Kioti the fuel gelled, but it was below zero and the tractor hadn't been run in a week or 2 since the last time I had been there. I tried pricing a Mahindra 1526, but they were out in left field at $17090. Mid mount mower was available, so that was a plus, but I just didn't care as much for the look and feel of it as I did for the others.
Good luck if you are looking at either of the 3. In about 5 or 6 weeks I'll have a new pole building. I'll let you know what I buy and for how much!
N2DFire
Platinum Member
Unless they changed something from the older CK series to the newer CKxx10 series (and looking at the specs it shouldn't have) the 2610 should have a 2 stage clutch. Meaning press half way & you've "clutched" enough to shift gears but the PTO keeps right on spinning. Pressing the pedal ALL the way will still disengage the PTO. It takes a little getting used to because there isn't a very obvious feel when you reach the half way point - just a slight change in pedal resistance.
I still wish we added hydro about 90% of the time but the 2 stage clutch is a MAJOR step up from the old Ford 8N (and override clutch) when time comes to mow so I won't complain.
When we were shopping I really liked what I read & could see online about the LS, we just didn't have a dealer close enough.
Oh BTW - Welcome to TBN.
Be sure to come back & share pix of that new Pole Building too. I have a major case of storage envy right now. LOLcford36
Gold Member
Check with Eden Tractor in Eden,NY. (LS dealer) Under 3 hours from you. Small dealer but has been great to deal with. Small farming town with plenty of LS tractors.
Also, I don't think LS offers a "cash" discount. Their tractors are priced to sell. There seems to be a slight difference depending on region but thats it. If you find one way out of the norm, high or low, I'd be wary. There is a "free" loader program but that's all that I am aware of.
Neelbilly
New member
Thanks for the welcome to the forum - actually have been a reader for a very long time, but this is the first that I've contributed.
As far as the Kioti 2610 shuttle, the dealer insisted that it wasn't a 2 stage. He didn't have a shuttle 2610, but he did have a shuttle 2510 that I drove. I can't say that I actually checked by engaging the PTO. I did question whether the mid PTO also stopped when the clutch was engaged. He checked with the factory and they verified the mid PTO stops when the clutch is pushed in (no mid installed on the model I drove). I have to believe it would be the same for the rear PTO. If anyone has a 2610 shuttle and know for sure, feel free to chime in.
Major updates on the pricing for the shuttle XG3025 with loader. A dealer 3 hours from me said $14600, and another 2 hours from me said $14500.t. Another dealer 1 hour away said $15900, and the original dealer came down from $16800 to $16400 (nice guy, but I felt it was my duty to explain how high on price he was). I believe that I will go with the 2 hour $14500 guy. He also told me that he has a 2016 XG3032 hydro with 57 hours, ag tires (filled), canopy, and loader. Would sell for $15000. I told him if he still had it in a month, I would check it out. Not sure what I think about the DEF. I've heard people say that their tractor runs like garbage for an hour when it regenerates. I also like the idea of industrial tires because once or twice a year I have considered driving 13 mi to brush hog some land that I own. (Back roads - 4 dirt/9 paved). I could always borrow my dad's trailer, but more time in the tractor seat is a good thing! Opinions welcome.
I will certainly be happy to post pics of the pole building when it is done!
On a side note, one of the dealers that I spoke with said the LS is the only one of the 3 to use cast iron. I believe he said the others use pot metal and that the quality difference is significant. First I'd heard that.
At this time, I am leaning heavily toward the XG3025 shuttle for $14500 with the dealer 2 hrs away.
As far as the Kioti 2610 shuttle, the dealer insisted that it wasn't a 2 stage. He didn't have a shuttle 2610, but he did have a shuttle 2510 that I drove. I can't say that I actually checked by engaging the PTO. I did question whether the mid PTO also stopped when the clutch was engaged. He checked with the factory and they verified the mid PTO stops when the clutch is pushed in (no mid installed on the model I drove). I have to believe it would be the same for the rear PTO. If anyone has a 2610 shuttle and know for sure, feel free to chime in.
Major updates on the pricing for the shuttle XG3025 with loader. A dealer 3 hours from me said $14600, and another 2 hours from me said $14500.t. Another dealer 1 hour away said $15900, and the original dealer came down from $16800 to $16400 (nice guy, but I felt it was my duty to explain how high on price he was). I believe that I will go with the 2 hour $14500 guy. He also told me that he has a 2016 XG3032 hydro with 57 hours, ag tires (filled), canopy, and loader. Would sell for $15000. I told him if he still had it in a month, I would check it out. Not sure what I think about the DEF. I've heard people say that their tractor runs like garbage for an hour when it regenerates. I also like the idea of industrial tires because once or twice a year I have considered driving 13 mi to brush hog some land that I own. (Back roads - 4 dirt/9 paved). I could always borrow my dad's trailer, but more time in the tractor seat is a good thing! Opinions welcome.
I will certainly be happy to post pics of the pole building when it is done!
On a side note, one of the dealers that I spoke with said the LS is the only one of the 3 to use cast iron. I believe he said the others use pot metal and that the quality difference is significant. First I'd heard that.
At this time, I am leaning heavily toward the XG3025 shuttle for $14500 with the dealer 2 hrs away.
Neelbilly
New member
....and I'll give Eden tractor a call, but I think I have a winner at the moment. Thanks for the suggestion.
cford36
Gold Member
DEF is Diesel Exhaust Fluid. None of these tractors use it. I think you mean DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) that uses the regen to burn off the particles. My LS 3135 regens about every 50 hours typically 15 to 20 minutes and hasn't slowed my down from using it during the regen.
