Diagnostic adaptor for OBD2

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MinnesotaEric

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Kioti NX6010
Anybody happen to know what diagnostic adaptor Kioti uses on their NXs? I have a bad injector and want to see if the computer happens to know which one using a Launch Pro Touch.

FWIW, the connector on the tractor looks like a Molex 33472-1201 MX150 12-Pin, female, without the two notch tabs on the outer connector.

12Pin-Female-Dual-Row-Connector-38413_f.png
 
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Yes it's a standard obd2 connector for the ECM on top of the radiator, the dealer uses the FT4 program on the laptop to read the codes.

Been there , done that with the injectors just a few months ago had to have them replace, also each injector has a unique code on them and the ecm must be programmed with that code for the injector to each cylinder location.
 
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Yes it's a standard obd2 connector for the ECM on top of the radiator, the dealer uses the FT4 program on the laptop to read the codes.

Been there , done that with the injectors just a few months ago had to have them replace, also each injector has a unique code on them and the ecm must be programmed with that code for the injector to each cylinder location.

Hillwood and Country, Thank you. In the shop manual they show a weird connecter that supports OBD in the fuse box, but I had forgotten that there is an OBD connecter under the hood. Thank you. Disappointingly, my brand new Launch Touch Pro can talk to just about anything but Kioti or Daedong and worse, Kioti wants $817.00 for one diesel injector. Hopefully I can cross-reference it with something from my NAPA.
 
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Won't work replacing them yourself, each injector has a specific code printed on it, and that code must be programmed into the ecm for the particular cylinder location.
 
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I would go ahead and give it a try. Often, the programming is just to input the tolerance (codified) for calculating and recording performance and other operational data but doesn稚 actually affect the machine痴 operation. There are some places out there that rebuild injectors for around $100 ea. Common rail DI痴 have been in cars for over 18 years now, so there痴 quite a bit of DIY info out there.

Is the injector bad or is it just a blown seal? Ie, is the injector not functioning or do you have compression or fuel leak issues?
 
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Won't work replacing them yourself, each injector has a specific code printed on it, and that code must be programmed into the ecm for the particular cylinder location.

Cross referencing should work as the injector is a Delphi injector (p/n 28320793, 28387256) with a Delphi engine management system. In fact, looking at the application chart, it looks like the engine management system is shared across Kioti's entire tractor line. Injector coding is covered in sections 3.5.7-8, pages 3-166-7 in the service manual and requires a scanner that can talk to the ECU.

Daedong CD21 2.4 TD 12/212-6/214 New Delphi Diesel Injector 2832793

It also looks like there is a rebuild kit available (which will still need to calibrated)

Delphi New Injector Repair Parts Nozzle Valve Kit 7135-612

A cross reference chart I found online. DELPHI 28387256 Injector regardless, I need to confirm my engine code (located on top of the valve cover).

Anyway, I do need to find a scanner that can talk to the ECU. I tried looking for FT4 and found nothing on the web.
 
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I would go ahead and give it a try. Often, the programming is just to input the tolerance (codified) for calculating and recording performance and other operational data but doesn稚 actually affect the machine痴 operation. There are some places out there that rebuild injectors for around $100 ea. Common rail DI痴 have been in cars for over 18 years now, so there痴 quite a bit of DIY info out there.

Is the injector bad or is it just a blown seal? Ie, is the injector not functioning or do you have compression or fuel leak issues?

The complaint is an occasional misfire (but reoccurring enough to be very noticeable) at high rpm only. Smooth running at all other times. I haven't gotten into looking into the problem as it is cold outside, but I first noticed the problem when I was running down the road in high coming from burning my slash piles two days ago.

I will change out my fuel filter the next time I go near my tractor.
 
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Good info to know, mine were replaced under warranty , and I still have a year left before, I have to worry about wrenching on it myself. When I had issues it was throwing a engine light code, and derated the engine along with a high idle speed. I was able to clear the light with a generic obd2 reader a friend of mine had from harbor freight, but it would not read the code, it ran fine after clearing for about 4 hours then threw the code again, that's when I took it in for service. I tried 4-5 different readers and never found one that would show the code. Would be nice to be able to replace the injector without having to program anything , and those prices are way better than dealer for sure.
 
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Watch for black tar-like substance around the injector(s). This is a symptom of a seal failure and may only require cleaning and a replacement seal. It痴 about a $1 repair and very common.
 
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Watch for black tar-like substance around the injector(s). This is a symptom of a seal failure and may only require cleaning and a replacement seal. Itç—´ about a $1 repair and very common.

How are the injectors held down? Wondering if seal failure could be due to loosened injectors: perhaps a periodic check of torque values might forestall this situation.

Eric, is this problem consistent?

From page 221 of the service manual:

When the injector starts injecting fuel, this initial
pulse value is measured to correct the pilot injection
ef f iciently through the MDP control. Since the
amount of fuel for pilot injection is very small (1 to
2 mm/st), it is hard to control the injectors precisely
as they get aged. Therefore, injection amount and
condition of the injectors are learned for consistent
precise control over the injectors so that the ECU
can adjust the pilot injection effectively. The MDP is
learned by the knock sensor.


Maybe not the injector?
 
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Hillwood and Country, Thank you. In the shop manual they show a weird connecter that supports OBD in the fuse box, but I had forgotten that there is an OBD connecter under the hood. Thank you. Disappointingly, my brand new Launch Touch Pro can talk to just about anything but Kioti or Daedong and worse, Kioti wants $817.00 for one diesel injector. Hopefully I can cross-reference it with something from my NAPA.
I don’t understand why you are concerned with the cost of the injector. They would be covered by the 5 year emissions warranty unless you are over the hours of use limitation.
 
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If you snap a picture of the injectors I can tell you how theyæ±*e held in. Usually, thereç—´ a finger that holds them down. These usually don稚 come loose, but either way once you have a leak youæ±*e going to have pull the injector and clean it, the bore, and replace the seal.
 
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I don’t understand why you are concerned with the cost of the injector. They would be covered by the 5 year emissions warranty unless you are over the hours of use limitation.

He said a while back they have declined to honor the remaining drivetrain warranty, I wonder if they would still honor the emissions warranty , I would at least be asking the dealer and rep.
 
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wow.. how glad I mostly use tractors that have only enough wires on them to start the tractor, charge the battery, and run lamps.

Good luck to the OP.
 
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He said a while back they have declined to honor the remaining drivetrain warranty, I wonder if they would still honor the emissions warranty , I would at least be asking the dealer and rep.

As a 20+ year dealership employee I’ll predict that if pushed in a corner neither a dealer nor manufacturer will relish walking away from the EPA mandated warranty.
 
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How are the injectors held down? Wondering if seal failure could be due to loosened injectors: perhaps a periodic check of torque values might forestall this situation.

Eric, is this problem consistent?

From page 221 of the service manual:

When the injector starts injecting fuel, this initial
pulse value is measured to correct the pilot injection
ef f iciently through the MDP control. Since the
amount of fuel for pilot injection is very small (1 to
2 mm/st), it is hard to control the injectors precisely
as they get aged. Therefore, injection amount and
condition of the injectors are learned for consistent
precise control over the injectors so that the ECU
can adjust the pilot injection effectively. The MDP is
learned by the knock sensor.


Maybe not the injector?

It has been too cold to investigate. I did call TS performance as well as EFI Live to see if either of their programmers support Kioti/Daedong/Doosan (as I suspect the entire engine family of t3 and 4 cylinders is common to all). I need to plow, but I cannot really see anything with the hood and loader in the way.

RickB's perspective that it would be hard to deny my warranty is a good point. I believe Kioti had a four year warranty in 2014. Kioti, not in writing, but over the phone told me I voided the warranty. The backstory is this.

I contacted my selling dealer about my tractor skipping out of range in October of 2015. My dealer contacted Kioti of America who informed my dealer that I had voided the warranty. I called the warranty person at Kioti and asked why was my entire warranty voided and, Tim Fox, the American Importer warranty guy, said:

1) I had worked on my own tractor.
2) I had modified my tractor.
3) I had abused my tractor.

Huh?

1) Tractors are tool carriers. I added my own third function because my dealer, at the time, didn't know how. I didn't modify any electrical system on the tractor and my third function looks like it came from the factory.

2) I was sold on the premise that the tractor would regenerate on average every 50 hours. My tractor was regenerating every 8-12 hours because it was always running rich because it wasn't warming up. This same problem struck the entire diesel industry with Tier IV diesel engines and the field repair among technicians was and is to install a warmer thermostat. As measured, the stock thermostat begins opening at 165 degrees F and is fully open at 180 degrees F. After carefully measuring everything, I installed a thermostat that begins opening at 175 degrees F and is fully open at 185 degrees F and also featured a bypass for high rpm operation as the stock thermostat. This meant that my tractor when not under a load wouldn't cool down enough to go back onto the rich warm-up fuel map and the DPF wouldn't load up as fast as it had been. My T-stat swap effectively solved my problem while also maintaining the factory fuel map as at every temperature, the engine runs on the factory fuel requirements and now my tractor is regenerating at a far more tolerable 25-35 hours.

3) When I specifically asked how I had abused my tractor, Tim Fox, the warranty guy refused to offer any explanation or example leaving me to wonder what the definition of "abuse" he used.

Meanwhile, one dealer told me that they sold five Kioti tractors and all of the customers had mentioned my videos and the Russian importer of Kioti has asked for permission to translate and use my cold weather starting video.
 

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