Disc brake pad orientation

[LD1]

If I'm sure of something, I don't start a thread asking for help...Do you even see the irony here?

What I do comprehend though, is your looking for nothing more than conformation bias. Sure people don't need a conformation bias.

I wish we could all be up on your pedestal and not need to ask for help.

Not sure what your deal is.

I asked a legitimate question. Got a great answer from TMGT in post #18. And even followed that with a video in post #22 showing his point.

I confirmed that pads we're on correct by the book.

As far as I was concerned the thread was done. I asked a legitimate question, got the answer I was looking for, verified I was correct....done.

I thought that's what this forum was about? Helping each other. I try to help as much as I can, and yes, on occasion I am the one that needs assistance.

But for whatever reason you cannot comprehend that and think I'm only here to ***** about it and want confirmation.

So think what you will. Live on your pedestal. Hope you don't fall off cause it's a long way down.

 

[Snobdds]

But for whatever reason you cannot comprehend that and think I'm only here to ***** about it and want confirmation.

Why yes, that was exactly what you wanted.

 

[LD1]

Your username suits you well.

Fortunately this forum had a block feature so I no longer have to see you. Good riddens Mr snob

 

[Snobdds]

Good talk...

 

[timswi]

I wish we could all be up on your pedestal and not need to ask for help.

Not sure what your deal is.

I asked a legitimate question. Got a great answer from TMGT in post #18. And even followed that with a video in post #22 showing his point.

I confirmed that pads we're on correct by the book.

As far as I was concerned the thread was done. I asked a legitimate question, got the answer I was looking for, verified I was correct....done.

I thought that's what this forum was about? Helping each other. I try to help as much as I can, and yes, on occasion I am the one that needs assistance.

But for whatever reason you cannot comprehend that and think I'm only here to ***** about it and want confirmation.

So think what you will. Live on your pedestal. Hope you don't fall off cause it's a long way down.

LD, I thought you asked a perfectly legitimate question. Ignore the noise.

 

[dougtrr2]

Just to take this thread a little sideways and share some new knowledge I recently gained. I took my Subaru in for a wiper motor recall. They did their "complementary" multipoint inspection a sizeable bill that I questioned the need for. One item that stood out to me was they told me my REAR brakes were down to 30% and the FRONT were at 50% or some numbers in that ballpark. But I have always "known" that the front brakes wear out faster than the rear so I was very suspicious and skeptical. I declined the work and took it to a mechanic I trust. He confirmed the wear on the brakes and said that in newer cars the pressures have been adjusted to minimize the nose diving on braking, so the rear brakes do wear faster now. At least that seems to be true with Subaru.

The two points to take away from this are: First get a second opinion if possible. Second - technology changes, things we think we know may not always hold true with newer vehicles.

Doug in SW IA

 

[the old grind]

F/R braking will always be established/regulated by the 'proportioning valve', to accommodate f/r weight ratio somewhere between empty and, say full of passengers. Uneven wear front to back is accounted by different pad/rotor size combo, by design. Uneven f/r wear can only be so precise, due to different loads and driving styles.

Last time I saw a pad orientation issue comes with a bit of a story, and I'll be short:

Guy buys a family sedan with rear brakes that 'growl', replaces 'new' with another set and growl remains. Rotors turned, and no relief. New rotors and another set of pads .. still the noise. Turns out that by placing the 'squeakers' wrongly, as had been hastily done for sale to my guy, it was their position that caused the noise. Reversing 'orientation' (up/down) was all that was needed, but 'Ford knowledge' can be sparse in a "GM town." :laughing:

Moral of the story is that none of us knows it all, that the last guy under the hood didn't necessarily get it right, and that cars are being engineered by guys our kids' age, so we'll see some puzzles. That said, I haven't done a full brake/rotor/caliper job in 6 weeks or so, ('02 Silverado, fronts) so things might have changed by now. t o g

 

[bspeedy]

LD, I thought you asked a perfectly legitimate question. Ignore the noise.

Ditto. LD1, your posts are typically helpful and well thought out. You aren't a time waster or 'confirmation bias seeker' whatever the **** that is...

:thumbsup:

 

[rswyan]

If I'm sure of something, I don't start a thread asking for help...Do you even see the irony here?

What I do comprehend though, is your looking for nothing more than conformation bias. Sure people don't need a conformation bias.

Ahhh ... it's confirmation bias ... not conformation bias ...

If you're going to come into a thread, troll the OP - who is asking for help - and refer to the concept, at least bother to know the correct word to use to describe it ... otherwise you look even more silly.

Jus' sayin' ...

 

[rswyan]

Ditto. LD1, your posts are typically helpful and well thought out. You aren't a time waster or 'confirmation bias seeker' whatever the **** that is...

:thumbsup:

I can personally attest that his help, at times, goes well beyond simply posting ... and is much appreciated.

 

[The Fred]

So LD1s post is about being taken advantage of by an auto dealership not brake pad orientation.

My apologies I completely missed the gist of the thread.

Best regards, Fred

 

[Rustyiron]

My apologies I completely missed the gist of the thread.

Best regards, Fred

:drink:

 

[Snobdds]

Ahhh ... it's confirmation bias ... not conformation bias ...

If you're going to come into a thread, troll the OP - who is asking for help - and refer to the concept, at least bother to know the correct word to use to describe it ... otherwise you look even more silly.

Jus' sayin' ...

Ah shucks, you got me.


How did you know what I was referring to? Was it a huge logical leap you had to make?

 

[Snobdds]

So LD1s post is about being taken advantage of by an auto dealership not brake pad orientation.

My apologies I completely missed the gist of the thread.

Best regards, Fred

lol...

 

[LD1]

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

So LD1s post is about being taken advantage of by an auto dealership not brake pad orientation.

My apologies I completely missed the gist of the thread.

Best regards, Fred

The thread STARTED about pad orientation. Thinking maybe I could have been wrong or overlooked something and didn't want to jump the gun in accusing the dealer of anything.

Once I VERIFIED the pads we're on correct....then yea, it became about the dealer trying to take advantage of my wife.

 

[rswyan]

Ah shucks, you got me.

How did you know what I was referring to? Was it a huge logical leap you had to make?

No, not at all ... I have plenty of experience divining the ruminations of the functionally illiterate.

 

[Snobdds]

No, not at all ... I have plenty of experience divining the ruminations of the functionally illiterate.

I've seen your body of work. It's quite impressive.

You must be exhausted at the end of the day with all the divine knowledge you drop through your copy and past links.

 

[rswyan]

I've seen your body of work. It's quite impressive.

Why thank you very much !

You must be exhausted at the end of the day with all the divine knowledge you drop through your copy and past links.

Not a big fan of reading I take it ?

Understandable I guess, what with the words and all ...

 

[bspeedy]

^^Time for a BIG GROUP HUG!!

 

[crazyal]

I get that people don't like their field of work being disparaged. I like to think most of us take pride in our work, whether it's our job or just stuff we do for ourselves. The automotive field, that's to shady dealers and mechanics has a bad name. My personal experience that's lead me to question them is when my ex brought her 2004 SantaFe down to get inspected. It was her winter car so it had expired. She had gotten a recall notice in the mail for the rear lower control arms rusting and would be replaced. Instead of waiting until the fall I wanted to get it done early. I called up one of the local garages and told them that it was expired and about the arms. I even left the recall notice with the registration so they could see it.

The day she went to bring it down she said the brake pedal felt spongy and then went to the floor when she tried to stop on the road. She asked the guy to see if anything was wrong when he had it up on the lift. They failed it because the rear arms were too rusted and even spent 15 minutes writing up an estimate (over $300) and talked her into bring it back down in a few days to do the work. They said that the rotors just had rust on them and the funny brake pedal was just the rust getting knocked off.

She wasn't happy about having to spend the money on the vehicle but just accepted it. If she had brought it to them in the morning they would have done it that day. When she told me I was mad (since I told them and left the recall notice that they had to of seen when the looked at the registration). It wasn't until a little while later she told me about the brakes. SO I took it for a short drive and couldn't believe how bad they were. The rear line had rusted completely and brake fluid sprayed everywhere. All the fluid had drained out. If it wasn't for master cylinders having two separate chambers to protect against loosing all brakes she would of crashed. There's no way any garage could have missed that.

With the receipt showing that it failed the inspection due to the faulty arms I drove it to the dealership to have the recall done (after I replaced the brake lines and bled the system). They did a free inspection after I told them what had happened. I think there's a lot of good people who work in the automotive services industry that want to make up for the few bad ones.