Century 2535 dead, nothing, nada

[EddieWalker]

My 2003 Centruy 2535 has always been super dependable. It's always started quickly and easily. I was pulling a sprayer on a very warm day for a couple hours, then refilled and sprayed another couple hours without any issues. I parked to put some water in the sprayer tank and then tried to start it up when nothing happen. Usually the lights on the dash come on. I wait a couple seconds for the one I assume is the one for the injectors to warm up goes off, and then I turn the key. Now the lights do not come on and nothing happens when I turn the key.

I checked my fuse panel and found three 15 amp and one 5 amp fuse blown. They are all for lights, so I'm guessing that has nothing to do with it. Just loose wires dangling around from lights that have broken off over the years. Replacing the fuses changed nothing.

I do not have a manual or a electrical diagram. Is there another fuse somewhere? Is there a safety switch of some kind that I don't know about? I have everything in neutral, but the forward/reverse lever might be broke. I don't know how, but will take it apart this weekend just to be sure. What else could it be?

I have 13 volts at the battery.

 

[ericm979]

Sounds like there's no power to the ignition. Time to break out the multimeter. I'd check that the switch is getting power and that the switch itself is not defective.

 

[amaxwell]

Sounds like there's no power to the ignition. Time to break out the multimeter. I'd check that the switch is getting power and that the switch itself is not defective.

Did you check both battery cables at each end for corrosion ?

 

[EddieWalker]

I checked the voltage at the starter and there is a constant 13 volts. It was running great all day, but ten minutes after turning it off, nothing.

My guess, and what I'm trying to avoid, is that the problem is under the dash. I think I'll just take it apart and start following wires.

I'm hoping that before I do that, somebody will tell me about a master fuse or something like that exists, and where it would be. I'm searching for a wiring schematic online for it, but I can't find anything anymore. I know there used to be manuals online for it, and for the Branson 3510, which is the same thing, but as of now, I can't find anything.

 

[ericm979]

There is a master fusible link on my 3725, it's near the firewall above the starter. My manual shows one for tier 3 tractors too, in roughly the same place. It's a white plug with a short loop of wire on one end.

I have the service manual for the 3515 in pdf if you want it. There's some posts in this forum with links to on line service manuals.

 

[Hombre]

:confused2: my first WAG is always the battery terminals corroded. Next WAG is the starter solenoid. You can take a screwdriver (or such) and try shorting the two terminals on it and see if the starter turns over. A fusible link is a definite possibility. Is there another fuse box anywhere on the tractor? I hate electrical problems. I also hate seeing dangling wires anywhere on vehicles/equipment (older pickup bumpers always seem to have multiple wires hanging about) dead shorts, blown fuses, and all types of misadventures can occur from such practices. When you find the problem come back and tell us the resolution please. May help someone else thats running into the same issue.

 

[CWB Wyo]

Eddie
This is from my 3510i operator's manual. My tractor is about 2005. Hope this helps.

CWB

 

[EddieWalker]

Thank you. That diagram is the same as what's on mine. Is there any other fuses anywhere else?

 

[EddieWalker]

There is a master fusible link on my 3725, it's near the firewall above the starter. My manual shows one for tier 3 tractors too, in roughly the same place. It's a white plug with a short loop of wire on one end.

I have the service manual for the 3515 in pdf if you want it. There's some posts in this forum with links to on line service manuals.

Yes please. Anything would help. My email is wkrvp@yahoo.com
Thank you.

 

[CWB Wyo]

Eddie
Just looked at the manual again and that is all it shows for the fuse link. Mine did kind of the same thing a few weeks ago. No power to starter,lights or any thing. Let it set for a hour are so and it started, still don't know what the problem was. And it been working fine scents then.
Sorry I can't help.

CWB

 

[52wej]

Eddie, please check your email, I just sent you a scan of a page from my service manual. Willie Jones

 

[ericm979]

Eddie
Just looked at the manual again and that is all it shows for the fuse link. Mine did kind of the same thing a few weeks ago. No power to starter,lights or any thing. Let it set for a hour are so and it started, still don't know what the problem was. And it been working fine scents then.
Sorry I can't help.

CWB

That sort of thing is often the ignition switch itself.

 

[ericm979]

Yes please. Anything would help. My email is wkrvp@yahoo.com
Thank you.

It's too big to email, I'll look into another way later today

 

[EddieWalker]

Eddie, please check your email, I just sent you a scan of a page from my service manual. Willie Jones

Got it. Thank you very much. It shows a few things that might help, and it gives me a list of options to try. I really appreciate it!!!

 

[EddieWalker]

Eddie
Just looked at the manual again and that is all it shows for the fuse link. Mine did kind of the same thing a few weeks ago. No power to starter,lights or any thing. Let it set for a hour are so and it started, still don't know what the problem was. And it been working fine scents then.
Sorry I can't help.

CWB

This is what I was really hoping for!!!! But it's been a week now, and it's still dead. I got an email from Willie that shows some safety switches and a fuse that I wasn't aware of, so maybe that will be where I find the issue.

 

[EddieWalker]

It's too big to email, I'll look into another way later today

I just noticed you where in the Santa Cruz Mountains. I'm from Hayward and used to go to the beach there a couple times a year. I was never any good at surfing, but a buddy was, and it was fun until I would swallow too much salt water.

 

[ericm979]

I sent a link in email.

I can't usefully swim, let alone surf. I don't even like being on the water. But it's fun to watch good surfers.
The Santa Cruz mountains is what the coast range is called here. We're on one of the eastern most ridges so we're actually a ways away from the city of Santa Cruz itself.

 

[EddieWalker]

I sent a link in email.

I can't usefully swim, let alone surf. I don't even like being on the water. But it's fun to watch good surfers.
The Santa Cruz mountains is what the coast range is called here. We're on one of the eastern most ridges so we're actually a ways away from the city of Santa Cruz itself.

Got your email and the manual. Thank you very much!!!! I'm looking at it now and trying to see what's what.

 

[EddieWalker]

After reviewing the information I received, I found what I think is the fusible link. In the photo, you can see where the plastic is worn away and the copper wire exposed. This was resting against the back of my starter. When I took it off, I found that the wire at both ends was fried. You can see the discoloration in the picture.



I made a temporary jumper to see if that was it and if I could start it. Nothing. It's still dead. The next place I checked is at the top of the picture. I'm calling it a starter relay, but I don't know if that's correct. Please help if it's called something else, since that's what I'm searching for online right now.




Here's another picture of what I think is the Starter Relay. There is a large yellow wire going to it with 13 volts. There are three wires leaving it that do not have any voltage. I checked for continuity on the relay starting where the hot wire goes and there isn't any electricity going through the relay. Does that mean it's bad?

Or is this a Glow Plug Relay?

 

[teg]

We had an old converted electric car, 16 golf cart batteries, we'd have to put 1 to 2 relays into it yearly. That's where I would place my bet on...