My new 4300 project

[steviep]

In my head gasket set there are 4 copper washers but I can't seem to figure out where they go.

 

[Spanner]

Are they all the same size? In the Parts Catalogue pic of the Head Gasket Kit there are 3 items shown where the 'Quantity' shows as 2 of each.

They all look similar in size but without actually holding them to view... only you can tell us. Check ID, OD, Thickness.

Did you purchase the genuine kit from JD?

:wrench:

 

[larboc]

In my head gasket set there are 4 copper washers but I can't seem to figure out where they go.

There should be 3 thick (almost 1/8" inch) copper washers for the injectors (as well as the 3 plastic sleeves for the nozzles, push them ALL the way on the injector till they hit the nut, taper first, otherwise they will burn up). If you have 4 you might have gotten an extra by accident. Pictures?

The other place that a pair of similar diameter washers are, but much thinner, is for the banjo fitting that supplies oil to the injection pump.

I seem to remember having some leftover copper washers when I was done now that I think about it. The maxiforce kit is for a few different applications of the 3tne84 so it isn't surprising to have some extra parts. I remember having several exhaust and intake manifold gaskets left over. I also don't think it came with the water pump gaskets for my engine but I used RTV anyway with no issues. I seem to have better luck with RTV than paper gaskets anyway.

 

[larboc]

Are they all the same size? In the Parts Catalogue pic of the Head Gasket Kit there are 3 items shown where the 'Quantity' shows as 2 of each.

They all look similar in size but without actually holding them to view... only you can tell us. Check ID, OD, Thickness.

Did you purchase the genuine kit from JD?

:wrench:

I'm not seeing what you're seeing I guess, part number?

FYI the injectors copper washers in the jd catalog are called "valve seats". They call injectors "injector valves" in the yanmar books so I assume it lost something in translation between yanmar and deere.

 

[Spanner]

I'm only reading the JD Parts Catalogue (since the thread is about a JD 4300 ?)



1 M805278 Seal 1 ENGINE BLOCK
2 M800988 Seal 1
3 M805696 Gasket 1
4 CH16940 O-Ring 1
5 M801005 Gasket 1 OIL PUMP
6 M811792 Gasket 1 STRAINER, (SUB FOR M805829)
7 M805830 Gasket 1
8 M809668 Gasket 1 WATER PUMP, (SUB FOR M801084)
9 M803523 Washer 1
10 CH10554 Packing 1
Cart key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
11 CH10555 Washer 2
12 CH10570 O-Ring 3
13 CH11564 Packing 2
14 M805711 Packing 1
15 AM878603 Gasket Kit 1 ENGINE BLOCK
16 M806440 Engine Cylinder Head Gasket 1
17 M801741 Gasket 1
18 T110650 Seal 3
19 CH10450 Seal 3
20 M801016 Seal 3 (SUB FOR M810460 OR M806732)
Cart key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
21 M805836 Gasket 1
22 MIU10630 Gasket 1 (SUB FOR M801363)
23A RG60076 Gasket 1 MUFFLER (ENGINE MARKED 3TNE84-JT43)
23B M805832 Gasket 1 MUFFLER (ENGINE MARKED 3TNE84-EJTS)
24 RG60742 Gasket 1 EXHAUST MANIFOLD
25 RG60739 Gasket 1 INTAKE MANIFOLD
26 M801017 Valve Seat 1
27 M801271 Gasket 1
28 CH10085 Packing 2
29 M806438 Washer 2
Cart key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
30 M805835 Gasket 1
31 M805834 Gasket 1
32 CH13814 Washer 1
33 M801034 O-Ring 1
34 M804492 O-Ring 1
35 M805711 Packing 1
36 CH10568 Packing 3
37 RG60753 Gasket Kit 1 CYLINDER HEAD

Sorry the alignment is a bit out.

The Item 36 (Packing) x 3 is the Injector washer I think from memory.

There isn't a 4 x of anything (in the JD kit).

EDIT: Larboc correctly identifies "Valve Seat" as the copper washer. I don't know why only 1 is listed in a complete Head Gasket Kit.

:wrench:

 

[larboc]

36 is an o-ring, #26 M801017 is the injector copper washer.

No idea what all the rest of those are for. I only remember installing copper washers on the injectors and the injection pump oil line but it's been awhile now.

 

[steviep]

Thank you for the information, I found it in the manual but the picture doesn't really show which way the ceramic or plastic protectors go on. They do seem to have a taper a slight one maybe. If I ever learn to post pictures on here I will post a couple.

 

[steviep]

So I just went out and looked and saw the 2 tapers one on the injector and a matching one on the plastic protector. Now I noticed the 3 washers from maxie force are copper but the ones I got with JD head gasket set are steel with a bevel on the edges. I didn't get any of the plastic protectors with the maxxie kit but I did with the jd kit.

 

[larboc]

So I just went out and looked and saw the 2 tapers one on the injector and a matching one on the plastic protector. Now I noticed the 3 washers from maxie force are copper but the ones I got with JD head gasket set are steel with a bevel on the edges. I didn't get any of the plastic protectors with the maxxie kit but I did with the jd kit.

Are you sure they are steel? I've never heard of steel crush washers for injectors, always copper. Possibly nickel coated copper? My maxiforce kit definitely came with the plastic nozzle heat shields. Make sure you slide them all the way on before installation. If they aren't all the way on and only get pushed on during assembly of the injector they will be burn up.

 

[steviep]

Well my tractor is up and running. Got it running the other day but found out I had the steering hoses backwards so it steered opposite than the steering wheel. Got it after stripping it half way down. put a new hood on yesterday and now some new stickers to put on. Hopefully the loader will be back on today. Thank you for all the help I got from everyone. I would have made a lot more mistakes without your help.

 

[larboc]

Well my tractor is up and running. Got it running the other day but found out I had the steering hoses backwards so it steered opposite than the steering wheel. Got it after stripping it half way down. put a new hood on yesterday and now some new stickers to put on. Hopefully the loader will be back on today. Thank you for all the help I got from everyone. I would have made a lot more mistakes without your help.

Congratulations! Satisfying to be burning fuel again isn't it?
I don't remember reading if you indeed found a cracked piston?

 

[steviep]

If wish I knew how to post pictures . The top 2 rings blew out an area about the size of a nickel.

 

[beenthere]

Steviep
Pics on your computer ? Then click the "go advanced" button seen below, go to "Manage Attachments" then a window comes up.. Click "Add Files" and find the pic you want to post. Then click "upload" and see that it is what you want, then "done".. should be the routine that works for you.

Shout out if some part of that doesn't work for you

 

[Spanner]

I just found that in the "Quick Reply" box below, the third icon from the right does the Image insertion with a few less clicks.

 

[beenthere]

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Seems I'm missing that box.. or am I just missing something?

 

[Spanner]

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Seems I'm missing that box.. or am I just missing something?

Gosh it seems you are. I use Chrome on Windows 7 Pro. I wonder if that makes a different appearance of features?

I'll try a Snip of the page so you can see what I see.

EDIT: Added


Hope that helps. The icon I mentioned is double-arrowed.

I see the same icon if I "Go Advanced" as well.

 

[steviep]

I have the pictures on my phone. I will keep trying.

 

[steviep]

hopefully this workers

 

[steviep]

I got it ,the blowout was bigger than I remember. I keep it in the tractor wood shed just to remind me no either.

 

[larboc]

I got it ,the blowout was bigger than I remember. I keep it in the tractor wood shed just to remind me no either.

Lol, I have mine hanging next to the light switch in the garage with "no ether!" written on the skirt in sharpie.

I've been racking up break-in hours by using it as a pit-loader. Takes about 25 mins to load a 10-yard box, but it works, is paid for, and I have it.